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Chapter 2444: Dream of the Forgotten God

Sunny stared at her, stunned.

"It… doesn't change much? How so?"

Nephis lingered for a long time, then shrugged.

"My goal has always been to destroy the Nightmare Spell. But… back when I chose that goal, I was young and knew little of the world. As I grew and learned more, my understanding of the world expanded… and therefore, my goals expanded as well. The Nightmare Spell, the Nightmares — to me, they are one and the same. I want to destroy them all. And even if the root evil is the Nightmare itself, the Spell is not free of guilt either."

Her voice grew a little lower.

"You two seem to accept that the Nightmare Spell is a benevolent force, but I disagree. Yes, with what we know now, it is impossible to deny that its purpose, at least, was a noble one. It was created to save the world, no less. However, you forget that it was created by a daemon, a divine being as old as time itself… and their concept of benevolence and nobility would have been quite alien to ours."

Turning around, she looked at Sunny and Cassie coldly.

"Sure, the Nightmare Spell pushes humans to walk the Path of Ascension as fast as possible — in order to give us strength to resist the spreading Nightmare. But have you considered that it might not be going about it in the best possible way? As far as I see it, the Spell's solution to the problem is to simply throw as many bodies at it as possible. Most will die gruesomely, and then, even more people will die. Countless lives will be ruined, and entire generations will be wiped out. But as long as a few survive and achieve a higher Rank… then everything is okay, isn't it?"

Sunny remained silent for a few moments, considering her words. Then, he said tentatively:

"But you can't deny that it's… effective, can you? And that we are in a pretty desperate situation, so it's not like we are spoiled for choices."

Nephis shook her head.

"Is it that effective, though? Or is it crude and wasteful? Think back to everything you have experienced. Was there really no better way? We are the strongest champions of humanity, you and I. But is it because we were the best, or is it because we were lucky? Would things have been different if the Spell had been different? All those lost lives… all that wasted potential. How would the world have turned out if the First Lord of the Bright Castle had not been sent into a death trap by the Spell, for example? How far could he and his cohort have gone? What about Daeron the Serpent King? If the Spell had not sent him into a Nightmare that only someone immune to Corruption could have conquered, what would have happened to the people of the Twilight Sea?"

She shook her head and gritted her teeth.

"You can only see the Spell in a positive light because you are its beneficiary, not its victim. No matter its purpose, the Spell is ruthless, inhuman, and vile. All this great power, all that startling potential… and you tell me that the great Demon of Fate could not come up with anything better than forcing children into the jaws of the Nightmare? Do you know how many Aspirants die every year without ever becoming Sleepers? I know, because I can feel their flames being snuffed out day and night. Was there really no better way?"

White flames ignited in Neph's eyes, and she grimaced.

"You can convince me that the Nightmare Spell is a necessary evil that we are stuck with, but you can't convince me that it is benign. You can't convince me not to hate it."

Then, suddenly, her expression eased, turning cold and impassive once again. Nephis remained silent for a few moments, then sighed and turned back to the window.

"Well… it doesn't matter, anyway. I meant it when I said that this new knowledge doesn't change much — in any case of how I feel about the Spell. A long time ago, I told someone that I intended to conquer all the Nightmares, and destroy the Spell. And I still do. It is just that now, I know that there will be a seventh Nightmare after the sixth, and that I will have to end the Forgotten God first before dismantling the Spell."

She chuckled bitterly.

"There would be no need for it by then anymore, anyway. So this entire argument is moot."

Sunny frowned, then leaned forward a little.

"But that is just the thing, Neph. It is not moot. Have you forgotten what our goal is? It is to prevent the destruction of humanity. Killing the Forgotten God is what Weaver's wanted to achieve, not us. Who cares what that treacherous daemon wanted? Weaver is dead, so we are free to do what we want. And to achieve that… we don't need to risk ourselves in a battle against a being that neither the gods nor the daemons were able to stop."

He clenched his fists.

"We don't need to conquer the Seven Nightmares and destroy the Forgotten God. We don't need to destroy the Spell, either — the Spell can continue keeping that thing asleep. It has contained him for eons, and it can contain him for a few eons more. We just need to become strong enough to contend against the creatures that are threatening humanity here and now… we just need to become Divine."

Others would have called him a fool or a coward for thinking like that, but Sunny did not care. In fact, he considered people who could not see past what was intended for them foolish, instead.

Sure, the Forgotten God was the source of Corruption that plagued the world, and destroying him would theoretically stop the spread of the Nightmare… but so what?

None of them had even considered the possibility of a world without Nightmare Seeds and Nightmare Creatures before. These were merely inalienable facts of life until just a few days ago, and rather than fantasizing about some kind of heavenly paradise, they had been busy planning how to ensure the survival and prosperity of mankind in reality.

As long as its safe resettlement into the Dream Realm could be ensured, and as long as there were champions powerful enough to keep the Cursed and Unholy Nightmare Creatures at bay, humanity could not only survive, but thrive in this world they lived in.

There were already vast cities like Bastion and Ravenheart here, in the Dream Realm… there were electric street lights and fertile fields, roads were being built across the wilderness, trade caravans were traveling between human strongholds, and new settlers were arriving every day. Sure, there were also Nightmare Creatures and horrors beyond description… but that was just life.

He had never known anything different, and most of humanity had not either. And yet, that did not stop people from living their lives… from struggling, striving, and thriving in this dangerous, but generous and stunning world.

That was what Sunny wanted to protect. That was why he had returned from his journey to the edge of the world, resolving to change it.

Slaying some ancient God of Corruption had nothing to do with it. Sunny could sleep peacefully even knowing that the Forgotten God was dreaming about him somewhere out there, imprisoned in a Nightmare by the Spell.

Sure, there was a possibility that the Spell would fail one day and that its prisoner would awaken… but that was not an unfamiliar reality, either. After all, even before the Nightmare Spell descended, people knew that the sun would die one day, and that the entire universe was moving toward eventual demise.

But nobody threw themselves into the sun because of it. The world had always been meant to end one day… probably long after humanity had already destroyed itself ten times over. The awakening of the Forgotten God was no different from the heat death of the universe, in that regard.

Only destroying the Forgotten God would probably be far more difficult and deadly than destroying the universe. After all, he was older than the universe, having participated in its creation.

…And that was whom Weaver wanted them to kill?

Sunny shook his head.

"Becoming Divine is already impossible enough. Sure, I understand that we are indoctrinated to count and do everything in sevens, and that it feels wrong to ignore the logical conclusion of the path laid out for us by Weaver… but our goal has been to become gods in order to protect humanity. Not to challenge the final Nightmare and correct an error made by the true gods when designing the world. Not to eliminate the Flaw of existence. A perfect world is a dead world, anyway, so why would we want to throw ourselves into something entirely fatal, and meaningless on top of that?"

Nephis looked at him with a deep scowl.

"To prevent numerous people from having their choice robbed from them by the Nightmare Spell. To save countless lives from dying in the Nightmares. To ensure that the end of the world never comes. To destroy the Spell once and for all! Why… why can't you see it?"

Sunny did not respond for a while, looking at her silently.

He knew… he knew that deep down, Nephis was a selfish person. That she did what she wanted, and it was merely a happy coincidence that what she wanted was to be a righteous and decent person — according to her own harsh understanding of righteousness and decency, of course.

But what she really wanted was to destroy the Spell, which she hated — and do so in a way she would not be ashamed of.

To avenge herself upon the world.

The Nightmare Gates, the Nightmare Spell, it was indeed all the same to her. She would not be able to let go of her most ardent desire easily.

But…

Sunny was a selfish person, too.

"I see it. But I… I simply don't want you to throw your life away, Neph. Not in an attempt to create some kind of flawless Garden of Eden, of all things. I need you alive… please, try to see that as well."

They both remained silent for a while, looking at each other.

In the end, Nephis sighed and turned away.

"...Why are we arguing, anyway? It's not even guaranteed that we will survive the Fifth Nightmare, let alone the Sixth. We can't even think about challenging the Seventh right now, and won't be for many years. So… let's cross that bridge when we get there."

Sunny lingered for a while, then nodded reluctantly.

"Sure. Let's focus on what we need to do right now, indeed."

He knew that she had not been convinced, and that her determination to destroy the Nightmare Spell was as firm as ever.

But… Sunny also knew that many things could change with time. So, he tacitly agreed not to continue this conversation later, for now.

Nephis sighed.

"So, what are your plans?"

He leaned back and smiled.

"Well, since you so kindly disposed of that Cursed Demon and cleared the path to the Mirror Maze, I thought I'd get Effie and explore True Bastion a little. Oh… but I want to make a short stop in the frozen wastelands west of here first. There's something there I want to try finding. I'll depart for Bastion after that."

Nephis hesitated for a moment, then nodded.

"Good. Actually, I found something after the battle with Abjuration. A fragment of one of Mordret's Reflections. It could have been there from when we unleashed that Cursed Demon in True Bastion a year ago, but something tells me that it got there later. So, he might be hiding somewhere in that Mirror Maze… it's good that you'll be heading there."

Sunny's smile dimmed a little.

"That guy? How wonderful."

With that, he turned to Cassie.

"He was not hiding in that piece of mirror by chance, was he?"

She shook her head.

"No… Abjuration would have gotten him, and I checked just to make sure on top of that."

Sunny nodded with relief.

"Good. Then… I guess we are done for today. I think we all need some time to digest all this new information."

He looked at Nephis, knowing that the two of them had a lot to talk about... and talk through. But that was better done alone.

Outside the window, the sun was already rising from beyond the horizon.

A new day had come to Ravenheart.

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    Well its ok he too will change his mind within the time... sigh
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    it really feels like a rollercoaster man
    every time i feel like one person is right or wrong the author slaps me with perspectives
    I feel wronged and amazed at the same time
    at the end sunny is right . both of them are selfish but
    one for 'both of them' and one for 'oneself'
    this feels like the perfect time to let it stack up
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      Sunless is ultimately in the wrong here. His whole argument boils down to “Since the world will EVENTUALLY end in the far distant future anyways whats the point of trying to save or improve it currently ?” This argument is illogical and down right stupid. Also, contradicts he’s desire to safeguard all of humanity from threats and keep his loved ones safe. Killing the Forgotten God solves the problem at its roots and humanity will all the more safer for it.

      It will result in the Spell becoming unnecessary, then Sunless and Nephis can decide to either keep the Spell existing for maybe another decade or three. The mundane humans can be kept safe from the First Nightmare within Nephis’ domain. They can then destroy the Spell once there are enough Saints, Sovereigns and Spirits guarding humanity. There is a reason why facing off against the Forgotten God is the 7th Nightmare itself and that’s because it is mostly like that Weaver created the Spell as a temporary solution to the Forgotten God. The Spell isn’t designed to last that’s why Weaver whats new gods to be born in order to kill the threat to all of existence. Sunless’ willingness to accept the fact that the Forgotten God to eventually wake up instead of attacking it while it is still in a dormant and weak state isn’t a wise decision at all.


      Just because humanity has always had to deal with the Nightmare Spell and its horrors DOESN’T mean it’s okay or justifiable to let the Spell continue exist and allowing it to cause innumerable deaths for years to come. That’s like saying since oppression and inequality have always existed that we SHOULDN’T try to undo them as best we can. It will make Sunless no different from Anvil or Ki Song, he hated the two of them for having power the help humanity but choosing not to anything. During the final battle of Godgrave, Sunny even criticized Anvil for not wanting to immigrate all of humanity from Waking World to the Dream Realm simply because of how difficult it would be.

      So why is he so against conquering the 7th Nightmare ? It’s not like the plan is for only him and Nephis to take it on alone, the plan would be for Nephis, Cassia, Effie, Jet, Kai and himself to all reach the Divine Rank. It would be two Divine Titans and four Divine Beasts against one Unholy Titan. Forgotten God is most likely in a weakened state too. And even if it’s just Nephis and Sunless who become Divine, it would still be two Divine Titans against one Unholy Titan. Not mention that Sunless has 6 Avatars all of which would also be Divine Titans and should he master the 7th step of Shadow Dance somehow then Serpent would also be a Divine Titan. Sunless has been shown the path that will allow him and others to get rid off problems plaguing humanity for good but he doesn’t want to because it’s not want he originally wanted to do ? Dispute the fact that doing so will result in the need to safeguard humanity to become less necessary than it currently is.

      Whether he likes or not, killing the Forgotten God benefits EVERYONE in the end including Sunny himself.
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    Sunny is right, the spell could still hold the Forgotten God back for a few more millennia. Considering humanity's track record, who's to say they won't destroy themselves long before the Forgotten God awakens? Nephis's argument seems more emotional than rational.
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      Well, she literally just got that thing with passion like a few days prior.
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      Bruh she been like that since the forgotten shore. She is determined to destroy the spell even if it will cost her the whole humanity, she is selfish person.
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      And what guarantees that the forgotten one won't wake up before then? Plus, have you forgotten the thousands of children who die every year just because the spell sends them to places they can't escape? Just look at the Bright Lord.
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        While in the sovereign's domain, infected people do not experience the first nightmare.
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    "I see it. But I… I simply don't want you to throw your life away, Neph. Not in an attempt to create some kind of flawless Garden of Eden, of all things. I need you alive… please, try to see that as well."
    I felt this. And Nephis just turning away after him saying it crybaby

    Both are being selfish. Nephis is a nut job as usual, and Sunny's is looking out for him as always. The only difference now is that Sunny has added the girl he loves and his friends to himself... everyone else be damned.

    But… Sunny also knew that many things could change with time. So, he tacitly agreed not to continue this conversation later, for now.
    Seeing how G3 writes. Sunny is the one who will change and not Nephis. Cause Sunny is always the one who has to adapt 😮‍💨
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    Why no one is asking does spell recognise their ascention to supreme??if yes then nefis should have insight given by spell on how to proceed. If not then it should be safe to enter nightmare ment for saints
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      The author confirmed it did. Also that's not how the Nightmares work, in the same way that Nephis was able to skip being Awakened and go straight to being a Master a Supreme is not able to enter a Third Nightmare
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        Point is am missing the bits of lore that the spell weave's into memories
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    Are there chapter/s about them pondering what would happen to the universe if they kill the forgotten god? I don't remember much since I am reading other novels.
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    But… Sunny also knew that many things could change with time. So, he tacitly agreed not to continue this conversation later, for now.

    Funny, he knew that things could change with time yet he didn't consider that there is a big possibility that he will be the one to change
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      As always…
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      history will repeat itself
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    What’s in the frozen wastelands? Idk if it was ever mentioned
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      Ice, probably.
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        bruh ehh welldone
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    As much I respect Nephis for her goal and the path she walks, I also hate her for what she is willing to put on the line while also making it seem as if she is a good person. I mean like, the stronger they get/want to get, the more enemies they will have to face. And eventually, there'll be loses for the human domain instead of Nephis herself. I know the human domain is indirectly her domain, so either ways, she has to keep them alive a long as she needs a power boost.
    But she also won't agree that trying kill the forgotten god is courting death, but not only for herself, but also for the entire human domain.
    This is the main reason I believe that Sunny and Nephis will part ways eventually, or at least they should. It's not that I hate their relationship or such, but more as if they were never meant to be. Their ideals never match up, and even if they do, it is in a rather warped manner.
    And ngl, I feel like the story would have much more potential if they part ways. I don't mean oppose each other but instead walk a path they each believe in.
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      As much I respect Nephis for her goal and the path she walks, I also hate her for what she is willing to put on the line while also making it seem as if she is a good person

      Sunny taught her that. To tell the truth, but not the whole truth, and to let someone else fill in the blanks in the wrong way. She didn't say that helping humanity was her main goal, just that it would happen along the way to her main goal.
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      Sunless is ultimately in the wrong here. His whole argument boils down to “Since the world will EVENTUALLY end in the far distant future anyways whats the point of trying to save or improve it currently ?” This argument is illogical and down right stupid. Also, contradicts he’s desire to safeguard all of humanity from threats and keep his loved ones safe. Killing the Forgotten God solves the problem at its roots and humanity will all the more safer for it.

      It will result in the Spell becoming unnecessary, then Sunless and Nephis can decide to either keep the Spell existing for maybe another decade or three. The mundane humans can be kept safe from the First Nightmare within Nephis’ domain. They can then destroy the Spell once there are enough Saints, Sovereigns and Spirits guarding humanity. There is a reason why facing off against the Forgotten God is the 7th Nightmare itself and that’s because it is mostly like that Weaver created the Spell as a temporary solution to the Forgotten God. The Spell isn’t designed to last that’s why Weaver whats new gods to be born in order to kill the threat to all of existence. Sunless’ willingness to accept the fact that the Forgotten God to eventually wake up instead of attacking it while it is still in a dormant and weak state isn’t a wise decision at all.


      Just because humanity has always had to deal with the Nightmare Spell and its horrors DOESN’T mean it’s okay or justifiable to let the Spell continue exist and allowing it to cause innumerable deaths for years to come. That’s like saying since oppression and inequality have always existed that we SHOULDN’T try to undo them as best we can. It will make Sunless no different from Anvil or Ki Song, he hated the two of them for having power the help humanity but choosing not to anything. During the final battle of Godgrave, Sunny even criticized Anvil for not wanting to immigrate all of humanity from Waking World to the Dream Realm simply because of how difficult it would be.

      So why is he so against conquering the 7th Nightmare ? It’s not like the plan is for only him and Nephis to take it on alone, the plan would be for Nephis, Cassia, Effie, Jet, Kai and himself to all reach the Divine Rank. It would be two Divine Titans and four Divine Beasts against one Unholy Titan. Forgotten God is most likely in a weakened state too. And even if it’s just Nephis and Sunless who become Divine, it would still be two Divine Titans against one Unholy Titan. Not mention that Sunless has 6 Avatars all of which would also be Divine Titans and should he master the 7th step of Shadow Dance somehow then Serpent would also be a Divine Titan. Sunless has been shown the path that will allow him and others to get rid off problems plaguing humanity for good but he doesn’t want to because it’s not want he originally wanted to do ? Dispute the fact that doing so will result in the need to safeguard humanity to become less necessary than it currently is.

      Whether he likes or not, killing the Forgotten God benefits EVERYONE in the end including Sunny himself.
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    both Sunless and Nephis are disappointing characters, too much Drama, for sure they need to kill that Forgotten God and it's a necessity but Sunless failed to see that, and Nephis reasoning about destroying the Spell is still f#cking cringe! well killing Forgotten God is the same as destroying Spell but i doesnt change the fact that she's a pussy... Sunless needs to shed his cowardice, there is a reason why they need to enter 7th NM, it's better to kill the Dream God inside the nightmare than to unleash it outside and add more casualties... both of them are stupid cunts, it's giving me a headache!!!
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      Sooner or later, the sun will destroy the Earth, and now we have to lose our lives fighting it? There will be many casualties too
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      Bro they are trying to become gods while holding humanities fate in their hands if they are not having passionate conversation like this about the future then idk wtf u want to read .
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