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Chapter 2444: Dream of the Forgotten God

Sunny stared at her, stunned.

"It… doesn't change much? How so?"

Nephis lingered for a long time, then shrugged.

"My goal has always been to destroy the Nightmare Spell. But… back when I chose that goal, I was young and knew little of the world. As I grew and learned more, my understanding of the world expanded… and therefore, my goals expanded as well. The Nightmare Spell, the Nightmares — to me, they are one and the same. I want to destroy them all. And even if the root evil is the Nightmare itself, the Spell is not free of guilt either."

Her voice grew a little lower.

"You two seem to accept that the Nightmare Spell is a benevolent force, but I disagree. Yes, with what we know now, it is impossible to deny that its purpose, at least, was a noble one. It was created to save the world, no less. However, you forget that it was created by a daemon, a divine being as old as time itself… and their concept of benevolence and nobility would have been quite alien to ours."

Turning around, she looked at Sunny and Cassie coldly.

"Sure, the Nightmare Spell pushes humans to walk the Path of Ascension as fast as possible — in order to give us strength to resist the spreading Nightmare. But have you considered that it might not be going about it in the best possible way? As far as I see it, the Spell's solution to the problem is to simply throw as many bodies at it as possible. Most will die gruesomely, and then, even more people will die. Countless lives will be ruined, and entire generations will be wiped out. But as long as a few survive and achieve a higher Rank… then everything is okay, isn't it?"

Sunny remained silent for a few moments, considering her words. Then, he said tentatively:

"But you can't deny that it's… effective, can you? And that we are in a pretty desperate situation, so it's not like we are spoiled for choices."

Nephis shook her head.

"Is it that effective, though? Or is it crude and wasteful? Think back to everything you have experienced. Was there really no better way? We are the strongest champions of humanity, you and I. But is it because we were the best, or is it because we were lucky? Would things have been different if the Spell had been different? All those lost lives… all that wasted potential. How would the world have turned out if the First Lord of the Bright Castle had not been sent into a death trap by the Spell, for example? How far could he and his cohort have gone? What about Daeron the Serpent King? If the Spell had not sent him into a Nightmare that only someone immune to Corruption could have conquered, what would have happened to the people of the Twilight Sea?"

She shook her head and gritted her teeth.

"You can only see the Spell in a positive light because you are its beneficiary, not its victim. No matter its purpose, the Spell is ruthless, inhuman, and vile. All this great power, all that startling potential… and you tell me that the great Demon of Fate could not come up with anything better than forcing children into the jaws of the Nightmare? Do you know how many Aspirants die every year without ever becoming Sleepers? I know, because I can feel their flames being snuffed out day and night. Was there really no better way?"

White flames ignited in Neph's eyes, and she grimaced.

"You can convince me that the Nightmare Spell is a necessary evil that we are stuck with, but you can't convince me that it is benign. You can't convince me not to hate it."

Then, suddenly, her expression eased, turning cold and impassive once again. Nephis remained silent for a few moments, then sighed and turned back to the window.

"Well… it doesn't matter, anyway. I meant it when I said that this new knowledge doesn't change much — in any case of how I feel about the Spell. A long time ago, I told someone that I intended to conquer all the Nightmares, and destroy the Spell. And I still do. It is just that now, I know that there will be a seventh Nightmare after the sixth, and that I will have to end the Forgotten God first before dismantling the Spell."

She chuckled bitterly.

"There would be no need for it by then anymore, anyway. So this entire argument is moot."

Sunny frowned, then leaned forward a little.

"But that is just the thing, Neph. It is not moot. Have you forgotten what our goal is? It is to prevent the destruction of humanity. Killing the Forgotten God is what Weaver's wanted to achieve, not us. Who cares what that treacherous daemon wanted? Weaver is dead, so we are free to do what we want. And to achieve that… we don't need to risk ourselves in a battle against a being that neither the gods nor the daemons were able to stop."

He clenched his fists.

"We don't need to conquer the Seven Nightmares and destroy the Forgotten God. We don't need to destroy the Spell, either — the Spell can continue keeping that thing asleep. It has contained him for eons, and it can contain him for a few eons more. We just need to become strong enough to contend against the creatures that are threatening humanity here and now… we just need to become Divine."

Others would have called him a fool or a coward for thinking like that, but Sunny did not care. In fact, he considered people who could not see past what was intended for them foolish, instead.

Sure, the Forgotten God was the source of Corruption that plagued the world, and destroying him would theoretically stop the spread of the Nightmare… but so what?

None of them had even considered the possibility of a world without Nightmare Seeds and Nightmare Creatures before. These were merely inalienable facts of life until just a few days ago, and rather than fantasizing about some kind of heavenly paradise, they had been busy planning how to ensure the survival and prosperity of mankind in reality.

As long as its safe resettlement into the Dream Realm could be ensured, and as long as there were champions powerful enough to keep the Cursed and Unholy Nightmare Creatures at bay, humanity could not only survive, but thrive in this world they lived in.

There were already vast cities like Bastion and Ravenheart here, in the Dream Realm… there were electric street lights and fertile fields, roads were being built across the wilderness, trade caravans were traveling between human strongholds, and new settlers were arriving every day. Sure, there were also Nightmare Creatures and horrors beyond description… but that was just life.

He had never known anything different, and most of humanity had not either. And yet, that did not stop people from living their lives… from struggling, striving, and thriving in this dangerous, but generous and stunning world.

That was what Sunny wanted to protect. That was why he had returned from his journey to the edge of the world, resolving to change it.

Slaying some ancient God of Corruption had nothing to do with it. Sunny could sleep peacefully even knowing that the Forgotten God was dreaming about him somewhere out there, imprisoned in a Nightmare by the Spell.

Sure, there was a possibility that the Spell would fail one day and that its prisoner would awaken… but that was not an unfamiliar reality, either. After all, even before the Nightmare Spell descended, people knew that the sun would die one day, and that the entire universe was moving toward eventual demise.

But nobody threw themselves into the sun because of it. The world had always been meant to end one day… probably long after humanity had already destroyed itself ten times over. The awakening of the Forgotten God was no different from the heat death of the universe, in that regard.

Only destroying the Forgotten God would probably be far more difficult and deadly than destroying the universe. After all, he was older than the universe, having participated in its creation.

…And that was whom Weaver wanted them to kill?

Sunny shook his head.

"Becoming Divine is already impossible enough. Sure, I understand that we are indoctrinated to count and do everything in sevens, and that it feels wrong to ignore the logical conclusion of the path laid out for us by Weaver… but our goal has been to become gods in order to protect humanity. Not to challenge the final Nightmare and correct an error made by the true gods when designing the world. Not to eliminate the Flaw of existence. A perfect world is a dead world, anyway, so why would we want to throw ourselves into something entirely fatal, and meaningless on top of that?"

Nephis looked at him with a deep scowl.

"To prevent numerous people from having their choice robbed from them by the Nightmare Spell. To save countless lives from dying in the Nightmares. To ensure that the end of the world never comes. To destroy the Spell once and for all! Why… why can't you see it?"

Sunny did not respond for a while, looking at her silently.

He knew… he knew that deep down, Nephis was a selfish person. That she did what she wanted, and it was merely a happy coincidence that what she wanted was to be a righteous and decent person — according to her own harsh understanding of righteousness and decency, of course.

But what she really wanted was to destroy the Spell, which she hated — and do so in a way she would not be ashamed of.

To avenge herself upon the world.

The Nightmare Gates, the Nightmare Spell, it was indeed all the same to her. She would not be able to let go of her most ardent desire easily.

But…

Sunny was a selfish person, too.

"I see it. But I… I simply don't want you to throw your life away, Neph. Not in an attempt to create some kind of flawless Garden of Eden, of all things. I need you alive… please, try to see that as well."

They both remained silent for a while, looking at each other.

In the end, Nephis sighed and turned away.

"...Why are we arguing, anyway? It's not even guaranteed that we will survive the Fifth Nightmare, let alone the Sixth. We can't even think about challenging the Seventh right now, and won't be for many years. So… let's cross that bridge when we get there."

Sunny lingered for a while, then nodded reluctantly.

"Sure. Let's focus on what we need to do right now, indeed."

He knew that she had not been convinced, and that her determination to destroy the Nightmare Spell was as firm as ever.

But… Sunny also knew that many things could change with time. So, he tacitly agreed not to continue this conversation later, for now.

Nephis sighed.

"So, what are your plans?"

He leaned back and smiled.

"Well, since you so kindly disposed of that Cursed Demon and cleared the path to the Mirror Maze, I thought I'd get Effie and explore True Bastion a little. Oh… but I want to make a short stop in the frozen wastelands west of here first. There's something there I want to try finding. I'll depart for Bastion after that."

Nephis hesitated for a moment, then nodded.

"Good. Actually, I found something after the battle with Abjuration. A fragment of one of Mordret's Reflections. It could have been there from when we unleashed that Cursed Demon in True Bastion a year ago, but something tells me that it got there later. So, he might be hiding somewhere in that Mirror Maze… it's good that you'll be heading there."

Sunny's smile dimmed a little.

"That guy? How wonderful."

With that, he turned to Cassie.

"He was not hiding in that piece of mirror by chance, was he?"

She shook her head.

"No… Abjuration would have gotten him, and I checked just to make sure on top of that."

Sunny nodded with relief.

"Good. Then… I guess we are done for today. I think we all need some time to digest all this new information."

He looked at Nephis, knowing that the two of them had a lot to talk about... and talk through. But that was better done alone.

Outside the window, the sun was already rising from beyond the horizon.

A new day had come to Ravenheart.

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    Sure, the Nightmare Spell pushes humans to walk the Path of Ascension as fast as possible — in order to give us strength to resist the spreading Nightmare. But have you considered that it might not be going about it in the best possible way? As far as I see it, the Spell's solution to the problem is to simply throw as many bodies at it as possible. Most will die gruesomely, and then, even more people will die. Countless lives will be ruined, and entire generations will be wiped out. But as long as a few survive and achieve a higher Rank… then everything is okay, isn't it?"


    How politically correct...vague and lacking of true substance,she forgets her solution in the forgotten spire,refuses to think of how harrowing it'd be without the spell as a steward. The most logical thing to do,if she meant those words would be to find a way to adjust the spells' "ruthless counter" or add a sort of safety net. Like soul retrieval after death and some type of body remanifestation.
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      shes acting like she doesn't have the second greatest weaver as her husband I don't doubt that he cant change the spell mechanisms by the time he becomes sacred and some more
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        Yeah, like he could make it so the shadows/souls of anyone who dies that's a nightmare spell carrier gets put in a new body or just respawns.
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    Protector of the present vs the promisor for the future.

    I honestly can see both povs and I see how many don’t agree with Neph, I feel like aiming for the unknown that comes after killing the forgotten god is terrifying. However, as they have done since the first generation, if they manage to make it to that stage, humanity will adapt. That’s why Sunny doesn’t like that idea as he prefers to aim the the things he can see in his current path
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    Bruh, this girl don't even know the aftermath of what her decision could be.

    You destroy the spell and forgotten God, okay. You think everything is just gonna be jolly? The void would just be like. Sure, y'all enjoy???
    Like shed still be damn ignorant of sunny ain't even spill the info...

    The only way her perspective is right is if you reason about it purely from a simple 'hero beat up main bad guy and won't.... What comes after? She knows absolutely nothing. Jon snow.
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    This is hypocrisy at it's peak. Her solution for destroying the crimson spire in forgotten shore is literally to pile up bodies and she even gave a inspiration speech that is how it is. Now when Nightmare spell is doing for the existence itself she is saying it is wrong. Weaver knows fate but even he cannot escape it he is not some Omnipotent god to be able to do everything for her to say Weaver didn't do a good job. For f#ck's sake he sacrificed himself and his siblings along with all the gods just to put his father to sleep. But he needed permanent solution what more can he do according to Nephis? And spell is not just for Dream god there are entire armies of Void beings back there that are rearing to go and Gods together cannot contend against them. What will she do when those being break free? Can she alone defeat or even defend against them? She is just using grand words for her personal vendetta. Atleast Sunny is not being a hypocrite by saying he is perfectly fine with Forgotten god sleeping as long he doesn't mess with him. Nephis is not even thinking like a human anymore she also have gone mad like her father. Asterion might use it to control her like he did with Anvil.
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      Yeah even to major key figures of future daemon could only make some arrangements
      Does she want weaver to twist fate in a way that allows everyone to become best version of them
      He is not omnipotent enough to do that
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      Nephis did show that she regretted the fact she couldn't save anyone, she's the best representation of false altruism
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    I was scared that the argument would come and bring a small crack in their relationship and it became true . Sure both are argument are correct in their own right , but Nephis is too short sighted for such a far sighted goal of hers . Sure she has reason but nightmare spell is a freaking NECESSARY EVIL . Do you think the man that standing by your side , the outskirt rat who just has a wish to be free and live a happy life become a cornerstone of humanity , hidden in shadows and go through hardships just for making you happy.
    She is not providing a compelling argument than Sunny sure she has her reasons but also think what Anake explained to you , she said having flaw is a natural law. Gods created them because they too needed it , but she is acting like a creating flawless utopia but ridding humanity of its hardships against spell will make them happy . What about the times before spell the dark times , did people live in peace ? A fat NO! they killed eachother and ran rampant . Will she become a tyrant after she finishes spell inorder for peace to remain . It's not POSSIBLE NEPHIS.
    DON'T BE STUBBORN. Because you will really regret if for your sake , Sunny will sacrifice himself as it becoming more and more clear that will . He'll become treacherous to save you and your domain of humans and leave you in eternal solitude regretting everything you ever said to him.
    Ohh!! It feels good ranting against a fictional character.
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      You made me imagine a Sunny shadow divine entity cucking Nephis. And also two guys trying to kill each other while Nephis uses her flame domain to heal them...
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        I didn't expect you to read my whole rant , i got too emotional in the second half pressure . Still thanks for reading.
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    I don’t think it really matters which side you take here... both of their arguments hold weight. Sunny’s stance is about protecting what they have now and being content with the present, while Nephis is focused on safeguarding the future generations. That said, for the story to progress, it’s almost certain we’ll end up following Nephis’s route. I also think more readers would support her view if it were coming from Sunny, since in many stories the MC takes on the “big evil” no matter the cost for the sake of a better future. That’s not to say I disagree with Sunny’s choice... it fits his character perfectly.
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      Neph isn't safeguarding the future generations though, she's dooming them.

      She wants to end the spell because she hates it.

      While it's true that we mostly follow the MC's mindset when reading, but most SS readers can confidently say they've disagreed with more than a couple of Sunny's thoughts/ mind set.

      Without the spell, there would still be nightmare creatures, there would be corruption, humans would have been extinct by now.
      They'd have had to naturally awaken, which isn't fast and neither does it out pressure on them to be strong as much as the spell does.

      Destroying the spell means destroying what keeps the forgotten God asleep and to a larger extent the void sealed and the void monstrosities away.

      The Gods couldn't defeat the void beings, and so existence was made as a seal.

      Sunny's mindset of preservation is hardly to be faulted.
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        It's been a while since I read this chapter and I've even been stacking, so please forgive me if it isn't totally up-to-date. I'm just trying to remember the reason I made the comment.

        Firstly, I think you are getting things fundamentally wrong. Like I mentioned, this is not a case of one person is right and the other is wrong. I understand that us readers have gone through over 2k chapters based mostly on Sunny's POV, so by default we would want to side with him more, because his stance definitely fits his character. But Nephis's choice is in line with her character too. She is like a typical protag in stories that try to fix broken things, and no matter how you feel, the Nightmare spell system is broken.

        Yes it's a big risk. Yes it's dangerous. Yes it could doom humanity. But if the best the gods could do was a broken, cursed patchwork of a solution, maybe the whole point of humanity awakening and evolving under the spell is that someone eventually tries to change it. Hence Changing Star. Her whole role is to be the cause of great change. That change could end in disaster, or it could be the only chance to break an endless cycle of sacrifice. Sunny is choosing preservation of a cruel status quo, Nephis is choosing to gamble on a different future, and like I mentioned, for the story to progress, it would most definitely side with Nephis.
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    while Sunny might be right that Nephis is doing it for selfish reasons and she only wants it destroyed because she hates it he has to understand WHY she hates it. all the reasons she stated are true to her she can't tolerate all the unwilling who died because of it's unconventional methods and that's respectable so she wants to put an end to it. and to all who say she has ro contend with the void after, I'm willing to bet that after conquering the seventh nightmare she'll get a more than generous power boost after all there's the power of 5 demons and 6 gods contained in that spell and it's probably only grown stronger since it's creation, and Weaver made the spell out of fate strings I suspect that one way or another these champions of the last realm are going to have to put an end to the forgotten God, even if Sunny's whining ass doesn't want to listen to Weaver cuz he's a meany and called him an epigone

    I think asterion is collecting wielders of divine lineage is to make sure all it's wielders or their off spring challenge the sixth nightmare which would give them a solid chance at killing the forgotten god
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      what you stated just know can simply deducted that you are woman and since nephis is woman you are taking her side even if she is utterly doing it for selfish reason and talking how weaver could have done better like hell he already killed gods and daemons that is the sole reason she and her parents even existed.
      absolute buffoon.
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    I think Nevis inherited her father's madness.
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    Sunny is right. After killing the Forgotten God and dismantling The Spell, not only would every awakened lose all key features of the spell like efficient ascension, memories, descriptions of enemies, etc, Sunny and Nephis would probably also have to contend with the Void Beings as well. These Void Beings were as deadly as the Gods themselves, and even if they were to defeat them, the Flame might also be a threat. Honestly, I say they aren't prepared enough right now to make a decision yet.
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      Sunny could probably, in the far far far future, weave a new "nicer" spell into existence
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        And what would be the powersource? The Nightmare Spell is powered by the death of 6 Daemons and 6 Gods and everybeing who had the spell that time. And we don't know yet what is feeding it now.
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          He could use the cores of the forgotten god
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          it wouldn't need to be as powerful. after all the forgotten god would be dead so no need to keep him asleep
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            Yeah? Well, they'd all be dead.
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        He can just take it from void beings
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          Not sure that they have cores
          We can't really know till they actually kill one
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            If not cores then they at least must have some nice drops(that might be far powerful than cores) after their death
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              true
              those will be some great materials
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    If humans had a way to stop the sun from exploding we would definitely prioritize that. ESPECIALLY if the sun starts dimming.
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      We know about global warming and we barely do anything about it. It will be the problem of our grandkids to deal with. So why would we do anything about that the Sun will kill us in 5 billion years? 5000000000 years from now on we doesn't care what will happen in 100-200 years.
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      Yeah so...I think the world we live in make it very clear we'll decide our kids can deal with it because it'd cost us too much money if we had to. But who knows, a generation shift of power and maybe we'll care.
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      Скорее оно будет становится всё ярче
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