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Chapter 2806: Fourth Throne
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    Ohshitimsorry
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    Guys, what do you think about aspects? What they are, how, and why they are ranked. You probably have your own theories. I think the aspect rank depends on how close a person is to their concept.
    1. In Ariel's game, the more cores a creature has, the clearer the concept they embody.
    2 infinities < hunter < doubt (I don't remember the others). 2. An example of a cohort. Sunny has already buried himself, Nephys knew her desire, her "longing" from a young age, Mordreth is literally half-Other. And all this before the first nightmare. With Cassie, it's more complicated, but she herself understood her "element" even after she was awakened/became a master. I dare say that Jet was similar to Sunny before the nightmare, and afterward, she literally turned into a corpse. And what about Eph with her transcendent aspect? What concept does she embody? Hunter? Warrior? Perhaps, but it's hard to say for sure. Kai has the lowest aspect rank, and at the same time, I have a hard time associating him with any particular idea. A dragon, an idol? Honestly, I don't remember his abilities or personality, so I don't know.
    This could explain why the divine trio have more cores (they're conceptually closer to divine beings), why they're able to sculpt their domains while still dormant (Cassie, Jet, and Rain, too, btw). This could also explain the reason for Anvil and Ki Song's "breakdown." The spell changed their body, mind, and soul, but it couldn't change the conceptual component of their being. This changed later, slowly and violently, erasing their humanity and imposing "ideologicality."
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      LastSearchResult
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      Holy shit. Keep cooking.
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      _Merlin Hermes_
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      That last part, I think it's also related to fate
      The strings of fate were already woven a long time ago, even before time. (I'm saying it's 'also' related, not it's only related to fate)
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    ZionCrestZero
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    Quote: Odi
    Quote: BK201
    Представьте насколько был бы страшен Санни, если бы он хотел пойти по пути Астереона.

    Ему бы хватило недели, что бы убить все человечество. Просто представьте, когда вас убивает шип из вашей тени, та же участь постигает всех кто попадает в ваше поле зрения. Он буквально может убить целый город за мгновение, в 7 направлениях. С каждым убитым существом, его легион бессмертных, не знающих усталости воинов становится только сильнее и больше. Солдаты его войско, это существа из-за которых целые области в мире снов называются зонами смерти, они скоординированы, они в доспехах, что носят ваши лучшие воины.

    Представьте, что вы как то смогли удержать город, вы отбились от его самых слабых приспешников и чудом устояли от более сильной кавалерии. Его чемпионы в одиночку могут выиграть десятерых ваших, а их у него больше 5, каждый в свой специальности. И даже если вы выиграете их, за ними у него в запасе есть существа, что были в одном шаге от богов. Каждый из которых сравнится со всем его легионом.

    Вы не сможете найти его, вы не сможете убежать от него, не сможете догнать его. Его сущность бесконечна, его кости прочны и тяжелы так, будто вы пытаетесь толкать гору. Он не истекает кровью. Его ментальная защита безупречна, он умер и хитёр. Вы понимаете, что даже ваш бог, что даёт исцеление одной лишь мыслью не спасет вас, потому что когда вы все умрёте, вы станете его силой.

    На самом деле хорошо, что у Санни лоботамия. Миру бы пришел конец, не будь Санни такой душкой

    Ему даже не пришлось бы использовать шипы из тени, по сути он только своей смертельной волей может убить пробужденных и мастеров,

    This is reposting a main comment. There's actually no need to repost a main post. This should be against the rules. Just add a reply or comment. Otherwise you're just stealing thunder and popularity off the one who originally posted this. If everyone reposts each reply imagine how messy this place would be.
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    Quote: Damian Wolf
    Quote: The Three-Eyed Raven
    I'm not a big fan of powerscaling, but there are some inconsistencies that bother me a little.

    For example, when Sunny says he could destroy Mordret's shadow, why didn't he think of doing that to Asterion as well? Why do they all assume they're truly "immortal" in a world where even the gods have died? And why do the enemies also assume they can kill Nephis and Sunny? After all, wouldn't they also be immortal? It's not like everyone has Cassie's ability to read aspects.

    They literally said from the start of this arc that you can't kill Asterion cause if even the idea of him remains in the world – even by a single person, he will not die. This is the entire reason why Sunny Neph and Cassie built the containment camps. To keep the idea of Asterion from spreading. Do y'all even comprehend what you're reading ? You're one of those people that say to skim through the chapters aren't you ?

    This is reposting a main comment. There's actually no need to repost a main post. This should be against the rules. Just add a reply or comment. Otherwise you're just stealing thunder and popularity off the one who originally posted this. If everyone reposts each reply imagine how messy this place would be.
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      Odi
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      Это случайно вышло, я хотел ответить, но нажал не на ту кнопку. Я не часто коментарии на сайте оставляю по этому не понял своей ошибки.
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    Odi
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    Quote: BK201
    Представьте насколько был бы страшен Санни, если бы он хотел пойти по пути Астереона.

    Ему бы хватило недели, что бы убить все человечество. Просто представьте, когда вас убивает шип из вашей тени, та же участь постигает всех кто попадает в ваше поле зрения. Он буквально может убить целый город за мгновение, в 7 направлениях. С каждым убитым существом, его легион бессмертных, не знающих усталости воинов становится только сильнее и больше. Солдаты его войско, это существа из-за которых целые области в мире снов называются зонами смерти, они скоординированы, они в доспехах, что носят ваши лучшие воины.

    Представьте, что вы как то смогли удержать город, вы отбились от его самых слабых приспешников и чудом устояли от более сильной кавалерии. Его чемпионы в одиночку могут выиграть десятерых ваших, а их у него больше 5, каждый в свой специальности. И даже если вы выиграете их, за ними у него в запасе есть существа, что были в одном шаге от богов. Каждый из которых сравнится со всем его легионом.

    Вы не сможете найти его, вы не сможете убежать от него, не сможете догнать его. Его сущность бесконечна, его кости прочны и тяжелы так, будто вы пытаетесь толкать гору. Он не истекает кровью. Его ментальная защита безупречна, он умер и хитёр. Вы понимаете, что даже ваш бог, что даёт исцеление одной лишь мыслью не спасет вас, потому что когда вы все умрёте, вы станете его силой.

    На самом деле хорошо, что у Санни лоботамия. Миру бы пришел конец, не будь Санни такой душкой

    Ему даже не пришлось бы использовать шипы из тени, по сути он только своей смертельной волей может убить пробужденных и мастеров,
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    Damian Wolf
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    Quote: The Three-Eyed Raven
    I'm not a big fan of powerscaling, but there are some inconsistencies that bother me a little.

    For example, when Sunny says he could destroy Mordret's shadow, why didn't he think of doing that to Asterion as well? Why do they all assume they're truly "immortal" in a world where even the gods have died? And why do the enemies also assume they can kill Nephis and Sunny? After all, wouldn't they also be immortal? It's not like everyone has Cassie's ability to read aspects.

    They literally said from the start of this arc that you can't kill Asterion cause if even the idea of him remains in the world – even by a single person, he will not die. This is the entire reason why Sunny Neph and Cassie built the containment camps. To keep the idea of Asterion from spreading. Do y'all even comprehend what you're reading ? You're one of those people that say to skim through the chapters aren't you ?
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      ZionCrestZero
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      Arent you? Answer the question! Preferably with a yes, no, maybe, not sure, or I take the 5th.
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        Damian Wolf
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        Aren't I what ?
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      Siegfried 7
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      All info on asterion immortality comes from people he could easily brainwash, and people who cant kill things which Sunny slain before he become a sovereign of death.
      Also we had Song, with her immortality via zombies which can always escape, immortality via memories, which makes imortal as long as someone who knew him is alive, and mordred which is immortal as long as one of his vessels is alive. 3 immortals with the exactly same mechanic of staying alive is a bit much. Oh, and 4th skinwalker, but he died to Mordred, which proves how faulty that method is. If a guy without power of death can kill immortals, than heir of death should be able to do it better than anyone else. Otherwise he is nerfed for no reason. How can a mirror guy be deadlier than death itself?
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        Damian Wolf
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        We got this information from f#cking Cassie Sunny and Neph. Not enthralled people.
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        Redist_King
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        Ki song, mordrets, and skinwalkers methods of immortality all involve the death of a person, there is no one to save. Asterion doesn't kill, he changes their minds, they can be saved which is why "killing" him is hard as sunny and neph wants to save them. The old Supremes didn't have an issue with this, which is how they sealed him before, but they also contributed to his immortality so they couldn't "kill" him either.
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    ChaosFateTime
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    What's with Sunny damning it all?
    Where's your aura bro?
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    BK201
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    Представьте насколько был бы страшен Санни, если бы он хотел пойти по пути Астереона.

    Ему бы хватило недели, что бы убить все человечество. Просто представьте, когда вас убивает шип из вашей тени, та же участь постигает всех кто попадает в ваше поле зрения. Он буквально может убить целый город за мгновение, в 7 направлениях. С каждым убитым существом, его легион бессмертных, не знающих усталости воинов становится только сильнее и больше. Солдаты его войско, это существа из-за которых целые области в мире снов называются зонами смерти, они скоординированы, они в доспехах, что носят ваши лучшие воины.

    Представьте, что вы как то смогли удержать город, вы отбились от его самых слабых приспешников и чудом устояли от более сильной кавалерии. Его чемпионы в одиночку могут выиграть десятерых ваших, а их у него больше 5, каждый в свой специальности. И даже если вы выиграете их, за ними у него в запасе есть существа, что были в одном шаге от богов. Каждый из которых сравнится со всем его легионом.

    Вы не сможете найти его, вы не сможете убежать от него, не сможете догнать его. Его сущность бесконечна, его кости прочны и тяжелы так, будто вы пытаетесь толкать гору. Он не истекает кровью. Его ментальная защита безупречна, он умер и хитёр. Вы понимаете, что даже ваш бог, что даёт исцеление одной лишь мыслью не спасет вас, потому что когда вы все умрёте, вы станете его силой.

    На самом деле хорошо, что у Санни лоботамия. Миру бы пришел конец, не будь Санни такой душкой
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    Of Course
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    what do you think sunny's crafting capabilities are as a supreme ?

    what do you think mordret end goal is ?
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      mr.stargazer
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      mordrets end goal is probably similar to asterions. based off what he said he wants to "take everything the dreamspawn hungers for." he's probably seeking to snake asterions sacred method by devouring all of humanity as asterion does taking apotheosis for himself.
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    ytiedemerpusetaf
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    Sunny sure can talk well, if he is so sure that he can kill Mordret through his shadow, then why not take action right now? He just heard the guy is planning to eat several citadels promptly but he considers not fighting? Maybe he really is too stressed out and is hesitant about everything. If he is going to be bogged down by his morals, then have him also jump to defend his morals with battles instead of just restricting his power over and over by claiming that he wants to preserve his humanity. Also why is he still getting turned into a moron when dealing with Mordret? Isn't my goat already receiving enough brainrot from Asterion?
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      Sin of solstice
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      It would be hard bruh. The battle wouldn't end in a single one shot.
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      Klein Moretti_3
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      Its all for the plot bro.
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    Protonic
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    Pretty disappointed that we haven't seen Sunny do anything with his ability to mimic domains. From an excerpt when he was fighting in Ariels game:

    So, channeling a concept that was both superior and in direct opposition to the essence of his adversary would help Sunny resist their Will better, empowering his own against the foe.


    We haven't seen Sunny use this at all since then despite being in several fights. It doesn't make sense that he hasn't tried this at all since it would give him much better versatility especially now that all his enemies are at Sovereign or above where Will is crucial.

    Also Sunny's domain is all embodying death but is death only physical death? In my mind it should also encompass things like ideas, concepts, etc. I know he isn't strong enough to directly kill Asterion this way but he should at least be able to fight back. Right now it feels like Sunny is just a punching bag.
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      Sin of solstice
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      So far he didn't need to.

      But he might use it now against mordret or aster.
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      Gumbak
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      It is not the ability to mimic domain but to shadow Will of another being and he didnt use it because it is next step of Shadow Dance and Sunny doesnt have his True Name so it is too dangerous for him. But I guess he could at least try with 7 links of Curse which would help him stay himself. I guess we will see more of it later on.
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    DanielPlay
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    Sunny could simply give her bloodline to Asterion, since everyone believes he possesses the bloodline of the Shadow God, and Asterion must believe it too. Once he merges with it, Weaver's bloodline would devour all the divine bloodlines in his body; after that, his own dominion would be his weakness, since Weaver's bloodline cannot be worshipped, and his power is precisely what makes people worship him.
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      Protonic
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      Well given Asterion is selfish he probably wouldn't mind accelerating the awakening of the Forgotten God if the alternative was his death. I do think this will come into play later though
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      alex silent
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      How to transfer bloodline? I hope you don't mean by sex... If I recall correctly Sunny had to consume some ichor to get the bloodline. Even if he finds another drop of ichor, there is no guarantee that Asterion has the same "Alice in the Wonderland syndrome" of pulling unknown liquids to his mouth. puke
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        DanielPlay
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        What the hell are you thinking? 🤮
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          alex silent
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          Do you think that my mind is under someone's control too?
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            alex silent
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            ...it has to be unholy titan Netflix. shocked3
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      ZionCrestZero
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      This is a very excellent idea to try to lure a mind reader like Asterion. Sunny would go, "Excuse me Asterion sir, I know we're at a war of ideas right now but I was just wondering if you would like some of my blood for your collection?" "Totally nothing wrong with it, since you can somehow read what I'm thinking right now I know you know it has some of weaver's ichor which will devour your other lineages"
      Asterion will go "why thank you, how did you know I needed this to devour more divine lineages and satiate my hunger. I really wanted this weaver's blood lineage that devours other lineages. Thanks, how did you know I was interested in this anyway? Now that I have this I can devour everything even the dream god that I promised I wanted to devour as well. With this, my domain can summon him/her now too. This is like hitting 3-5 birds with a single stone"
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      Comprehension shouldn't be this difficult no?
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