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Chapter 2284: Shadow Smith

While the battered incarnation was tending to the Nameless Temple, another stood in the vast hall of the ruined cathedral, which had gradually become something akin to a forge.

At the far end, beneath the unwavering gaze of the Nameless Goddess, the solemn shadow of the King of Swords was crafting a massive breastplate. He used the altar as his anvil, and the material he shaped into the towering suit of armor was manifested shadow. His hammer rose and fell in steady rhythm, giving form to the darkness...

The former King’s expression remained still and unreadable, his gaze curiously both filled with cold intellect and devoid of vitality. He retained the remarkable skill of a blacksmith and artisan, along with the discerning mind needed to use it. But he lacked the spirit and will that made one truly alive.

The shadow of Anvil possessed no desires and no emotions, existing in a serene state of quiet emptiness.

Still... he appeared at peace, even satisfied, having been offered the chance to devote himself to his craft beyond death. Or so Sunny believed, after watching Anvil’s shadow for many days.

At first, Sunny had been tempted to destroy it. He knew that losing the shadow of a Supreme being would be a severe blow to the Shadow Legion, even without its Will. But despite that, he had still wanted to erase Anvil’s shadow out of pure resentment, feeling that its presence alone polluted his soul.

Eventually, though, he chose not to.

Then, he considered sending the royal shade into battle. In the end, Sunny concluded that Anvil’s shadow was best suited to this — laboring as the blacksmith for the evergrowing Shadow Legion.

Sunny personally crafted the Memories for the members of the Shadow Clan, but the shadow legionnaires dwelling in his soul were too numerous and too unlike Awakened humans.

None of them were capable of possessing or summoning Memories. Many, however, required weapons and armor — especially the human shades like Solvane, Daeron, and the seven Saints of the Song Domain that he had slain. They had lost their own arsenals of Memories before being absorbed into his soul, and so were forced to fight unarmed as soldiers of shadow.

The shadows of the Nightmare Creatures were less disadvantaged in that regard, since their primary weapons were their claws, fangs, talons, mandibles, or other appendages whose names Sunny didn’t even know. Still, that didn’t mean they couldn’t benefit from crafted equipment.

What was more terrifying than a monstrous beast? A monstrous beast clad in a suit of impenetrable armor, undoubtedly. And while being torn apart by claws was already dreadful, being shredded by claws encased in sharpened metal was undeniably worse.

Sunny’s answer to this problem was to appoint the former Sovereign as the Shadow Legion’s master of arms and armorer. Now, Anvil’s shadow resided in the ruined cathedral, endlessly forging weapons and fearsome armor from the essence of shadows.

Sunny had moved his own workshop and laboratory into the cathedral as well — the space was abundant, and someone needed to keep watch over Slayer in her subterranean cell anyway.

Crafting the Memories for the Shadow Clan had been a massive undertaking. Not because the process was particularly difficult, but simply because of how many there were. Some of these refined Memories, like the Black Canteen — successor to Rain’s beloved Green Canteen — were standard issue and given to every member of the clan.

Others shared similar appearances but were individually crafted and fine-tuned to fit the unique Aspects of the Shadow Clan members. For example, the suits of armor Sunny forged each held a reservoir that he personally filled with shadow essence, enabling even ordinary Awakened to activate powerful, life-saving enchantments in dire situations.

Corsair’s complete set of Memories had already been prepared. The Shadow Clan had observed the potential recruit for quite a while, and with Cassie’s assistance, Sunny already had a full understanding of his Aspect.

So, at the moment, Sunny was focused on something different.

He moved slowly across the dark expanse of the ruined cathedral’s great hall, gazing upward with a thoughtful expression.

Above him, an intricate web of black stands spread into a vast and mesmerizing design — a formation as awe-inspiring as it was intimidating, stretching the full length of the hall and reaching all the way to the ceiling high above.

The pattern was not formed from strings of shadow essence. Rather, it consisted purely of manifested shadows.

It was a visual model of the weave Sunny had been developing for a long time, created to ease the burden on his overstressed mind.

Focusing on one particular section of the elaborate design, Sunny sighed.

"The last solution only caused more issues to emerge, didn’t it?"

The weave he was constructing was meant to become the framework for his very own shadowbound Memory — a charm usable by all of his incarnations.

Unlike with the Blessing, this time there was no Spell to guide or complete the process. So Sunny had to oversee every part of its creation on his own. Given the value and rarity of the resources that would go into forging this charm, he wanted to be absolutely certain nothing would go to waste.

Turning his attention to the problematic segment of the vast design, Sunny allowed the steady rhythm of the dead King’s hammer to wash over him. He then directed the strands of shadow to realign themselves, creating a new configuration.

He studied the result with a serious look.

Eventually, a faint smile lit up his face.

"Much better. Now, on to the next complication."

There were still numerous flawed areas within the enormous and astonishingly intricate weave, but he was drawing closer to completing the ambitious structure. Once finished, it would hopefully grant him significant power and versatility.

Far away, Sunny’s final two incarnations were engaged in a different task altogether.

They were at war with the Burned Forest.

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    Chapter 2272: Shady Business


    Chapter 2272: Shady Business
    Autumn was slowly surrendering to the tyranny of winter, and frigid winds were blowing across the crowded streets of NQSC.
    Awakened June had neglected summoning a PTV, so he had to walk quite a distance from the nearest public transport terminal to his destination. It had seemed like a good idea at first, but by now, he was regretting his choice.

    He found himself weary of cold weather ever since returning from Antarctica.
    But then again, he also found himself weary of hot weather ever since returning from Godgrave.

    Sinking deeper into his coat, June sighed.

    "Truly, nature has nothing good to offer at all."

    People of his generation were truly unfortunate.

    There was a reason why he had decided to walk, though. June had not been to his hometown for a long time, so he was curious to see how much NQSC had changed.

    The changes were subtle, but undeniable.

    The buildings were the same, the roads were the same, and the crisp tastelessness of the filtered air was also the same — here in the center of the city, at least. However, the atmosphere was entirely different.

    It was both much more lively and much more feverish, with excitement and fear mixed together in equal measure.
    Most of the people seemed oddly uplifted and confident. They were full of energy. It was as if bright sparks were shining in their eyes — metaphorically speaking... for most.

    June found it odd that they looked so vibrant despite knowing that the world was coming to an end.

    But on the other hand, he understood. Even he, once a bitter cynic, felt the same. It was hard not to feel awed after having his life saved by the miraculous flames of a living goddess. People everywhere had spent decades living in a world that they secretly knew was dying.

    Now, its death sentence had been officially pronounced — but, at the same time, they were given hope and shown an unambiguous path to salvation. They had been given a clear goal.

    More than that, there was someone to guide them on that thorny path.
    A person who exemplified the very ideals of benevolence, virtue, and righteous power.

    Changing Star of the Immortal Flame Clan... a living legend, someone who was known to make miracles happen.
    In simple terms, she had a stellar reputation and a proven track record of leading people out of impossible situations. So, instead of giving up, people were reinvigorated, throwing themselves into working toward a common goal with abandon.

    Of course, not all of them.

    That was why the atmosphere in NQSC was so feverish. There were also those who were panicking, surrendering to despair, and just plain losing their minds. As June walked, he noticed the carcasses of several burned PTVs on the side of the road.

    The walls were marred with scars left by the war. A crowd of protesters had gathered near a tall barrier constructed around an active Nightmare Gate.
    Police officers were wearing riot armor and staring at the protesters coldly from behind the transparent visors of their alloy helmets. They looked like a group of knights grievously outnumbered by a horde of angry peasants.

    June shook his head.

    'What are these folks even protesting against?'

    Well, it did not really matter to him. He doubted that he would spend a long time in NQSC - there were too many emergencies happening every day all across the world, and even more work to be done in the Dream Realm. So, his unexpected vacation would most likely be short.

    Finally, he reached his destination - the central government headquarters.
    It was a vast and heavily defended complex,built with utility in mind and no regard for aesthetics. June studied the automatic turrets towering above the walls and the Awakened warriors standing guard around the perimeter, his trained eye discerning many details that many others would have missed.

    Being a government grunt himself, June had no reason to seek out vulnerability points and potential escape routes... but old habits died hard.

    He was allowed inside the complex after going through a complicated security check and eventually found himself in the depths of one of its underground levels. There, a few other Awakened were waiting patiently in front of an unmarked office - when June arrived, they studied him with wary gazes.
    He studied them, as well, feeling pins and needles in his sword arm.

    '...Professionals.'

    There was an imperceptible quality that those like themselves recognized in each other. A subtle mark of a specialist... of a person who had reached the hidden heights of their bloody vocation.

    Not all of them were consummate killers — there were those with Utility Aspects, as well. In fact, those were often much more precious than the combat specialists.

    But most of them were.

    Smiling amicably, June nodded at the Awakened elites and took a seat.

    ‘I do wonder what it’s all about.’
    The reason he had returned to NQSC and was now sitting in front of an unmarked office was a bit strange. It was a rumor... no, more of an urban legend among the seasoned government grunts like him.

    A scary story about an absolutely separate, intangible elite force that operated in the shadows of the Human Domain. A force more elite than even the exalted Fire Keepers themselves, and arguably more deadly.

    Most people dismissed these rumors as a scary story, but some dug deeper.
    June was one of those who had investigated the rumors more seriously. As a result, he found himself participating in a vicious and, quite honestly, more than a little shady trial.

    Having ruthlessly defeated all other contenders, he finally found himself here.

    His curiosity was going to be sated. He spent about an hour in the waiting room before being summoned into the office.
    There, an Awakened woman was sitting behind a desk, checking something on the screen in front of her.

    She had a petite build, with mousy hair and an unassuming face.

    However, her gaze was calm and confident, making June feel a little flustered.

    "Awakened June?"
    He nodded.

    "I am Awakened Kim. Please take a seat."

    June sat on the only free chair in the office and looked at Awakened Kim quietly. After checking her screen one last time, she turned to him and said in an even tone:

    "June. City of origin: NQSC. Infected by the Nightmare Spell at age sixteen, Awakened an Aspect of the Ascended Rank — supposedly.

    Stellar marks at the Academy, joined the government after Awakening. Member of the First Evacuation Army... Second Irregular Company, East Antarctica.

    Distinguished service. Later retired from service, employed at various private outlets as a security specialist and bodyguard. In Godgrave... soldier of the Sword Army — Vanishing Lake expedition, Godheart, Siege of the Greater Crossing... rejoined the government forces six months ago."

    She paused and looked at June, who smiled.

    "That's me."

    Awakened Kim nodded.

    What she said next, however, made June freeze and feel a cold shiver run down his spine.

    "Clandestine alias: Corsair. Black market nightmare creature hunter, enforcer... assassin. Seventy-six confirmed contracts — actual number unknown. Ninety-four percent success rate. Fallen Nightmare Creatures, unhinged Ascended... an unsanctioned Death Zone expedition? Impressive."

    June remained silent for a few moments, hiding his shock and unease. Eventually, he coughed.

    "Uh... that's also me."

    Awakened Kim — whomever the hell she was — seemed to know everything already, and in chilling detail at that. So, there was no reason to play coy.

    She studied him intently for a bit, then asked with a hint of curiosity:

    "Say, the Pandavar massacre... that wouldn’t happen to have been you, by chance?"

    June met her gaze, considered his next words for a moment or two, then smiled.

    "Those guys? Well... they got into some really abominable business for a fallen noble house. Otherwise, the bounty on their heads would not have been that high."

    Awakened Kim lingered for a few moments, then chuckled suddenly.

    "A corsair hunting down pirates, huh? The irony..."

    She paused and seemed to hesitate for a short while. Eventually, she asked:

    "You are Vandal's grandson, aren't you? I met your grandfather in Antarctica. He was a great Awakened."

    June looked at her for a few long seconds, his expression turning stiff:

    "...He wasn't great enough,I guess.
    Otherwise,he would have survived."

    Then, he crossed his arms and asked:
    "So, are we done with the interrogation part? How about you tell me what this is about?"

    Awakened Kim gave him an evaluating look, then nodded.

    "It's simple, really. There is important work that needs to be done, and you've been evaluated to be the right person to do it. It is a... special kind of assignment. You won't be working for the government anymore, but know that what we do is exclusively for the sake of humanity. The only entity we report to is the Ivory Tower itself - well, when our boss feels like it, at least."

    June blinked.

    'When... the boss feels like it?'

    What kind of boss would be audacious enough to neglect reporting their business to a literal goddess?

    And who would be important enough to report directly to Changing Star?

    Noticing his reaction, Awakened Kim smiled faintly.

    "Note that I can't tell you anything else until you agree. You'll be sworn to secrecy, of course. And if you break that oath..."

    June raised an eyebrow.

    "Don't tell me. I'll be killed?"

    Awakened Kim chuckled.

    "Killed? No, nothing that amateurish...

    She shook her head and smiled benevolently.

    "Instead, you'll be brainwashed and have your memories erased. Then, we'll return you to where we took you from."
    June laughed, thinking it was a joke.
    But under the unassuming woman’s calm gaze, his laughter slowly died down.

    "...Wait, is she serious?"

    He stared at her in silence.

    There were... all kinds of Aspects out there.

    Awakened Kim raised an eyebrow:
    "Any questions?"

    June contemplated his answer a little, then shrugged and nodded readily.

    "Only one. The most important question."

    He paused for a moment and with a glint in his eyes:

    "How’s the pay?"

    The unassuming woman blinked a couple of times, then looked down and sighed.

    "Oh, she’s going to like this one..."
    Shaking her head, Awakened Kim raised her head and gave June a piercing look.
    "The pay is stellar."

    He nodded in satisfaction.

    "Great. Where do I sign?"

    Standing up from behind her desk, she smiled.

    "There’s no need to sign anywhere."

    Awakened Kim paused for a moment, then added hesitantly:

    "Oh, but I should ask. How do you feel about tattoos?"
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      Sorry about the last time i missed a line but now i have thoroughly read and fixed it so no worries
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        It's good now, thanks.
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      For anyone wondering if some parts are missing after the tattoos line well its because that was ai slop it was added content by ai not the official chapter the official one ends at the tattoos ok boast

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        Well done ! thx.
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    I wonder if shades Anvil still has his flaw. Or if it can affect Sunny. Probably not since Sunny is fateless and the shade probably doesn't have any affection towards him.

    However it may become a problem if Sunny improve shadow danse making Serpent able to mimic him.
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    @BorderlineCoffeeAddict, See, this is what I'm talking about 😅


    He's not completely wrong 'tho but not completely correct either.

    She couldn't leave a domain prior to her advancement and only afterwards did she leave Ki Song's domain.
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      That's what I also said dude, but he is one hell of a stubborn guy. sigh

      According to him Rain has never left Song's Domain even once. Before she was under Song's Domain and now under Sunny's. once she leaves Supreme's Domain, she will get infected. He wants me to agree with this bullshit. You won't even believe what kind of nonsense points he presented just to prove himself right 😅
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        You asked me to not bother you again but it's you can't let that behind...

        He wants me to agree with this bullshit. You won't even believe what kind of nonsense points he presented just to prove himself right 😅

        The nonsense I said is still there if you want reread it, either if I'm right or wrong i didn't delete anything. I told you Rain was inside Song domain when she ascended, as Tamar said if they have left Song domain Rain would have been taken by the 1st nightmare. After that she joined the expedition and they extended the queen domain as they advanced, she didn't return in the waking world from what we know, and the nameless temple was still inside a domain.

        And to be clear I don't want anything from you... it was you who replied to my comment in the first place.
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          Huh, let's do this one last time damn it.

          The whole argument was that if Rain can or can not get infected now since she already has Awakened naturally. I'm saying she can't and you are saying she can, right?

          In my argument, I said she has already left Song's Domain multiple times after Awakening but didn't get infected. Like when she entered the Godgrave and when Sunny took her to Nameless Temple.

          In your argument, you said she never left Song's Domain. When she entered Godgrave, she was already in Song's Domain because they conquered Citadels one after another, wow genius 👍

          Now look other guy also saying, she has already left Song's Domain after she Awakened. By saying she never left Song's Domain and can get affected now, you are making fun of yourself, nothing else. You clearly need some reading comprehension dude.

          And to be clear, I never started this shit. It's you not me. I'm just tying the loose ends here.
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            Your right hes wrong source: g3 own words in the qna in the official discord
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              Thanks brother boast
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              G3 said she left Song's domain?
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                No g3 said awakened people through the ancient path can't get infected by the nightmare spell,and she did Leave somg domain multiple times
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                  Yes, it was made clear later she doesn't have the spell, since she can follow Tamar inside a seed. But my point was she didn't left Song domain during the war, so there was no certainty at this point. For me it should have been mentioned if Rain had left a domain and discovered her inability to obtain the spell at Godgrave.
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        During Rain awakening Sunny saw the nightmare seed in her soul dissolve. So awakened can no longer be infected by the spell.
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          I know bro, I know. That's why it's painful to argue with someone, regardimg something that is as clear as day 😮‍💨

          Thx btw boast
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            When can sm'one resist the call of their first nightmare?
            1 when in a sovereigns domain
            2 they get completely excluded AFTER Awakening.
            Sunny was pushin for Rain's awakening (natural) to resist the call if she ever was out of the range of any domain incase the War Arc demanded. & He was shit scared about losing baby sis to it's unpredictability (the seeds) while natural Awakening was feasible with appropriate reference to Anake(Ariel's Tomb).
            Voila 🌧️ can freely access any region of the dream realm @bso..f.n..lutely with no impediment whatsoever.
            So let's let her ascend and G3 cook her to boiling point quiet swindler kiaa
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    When are the new chapters gonna get posted today?
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    is it first time of mordred involvement with asterion?
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      Back in the day, anvil used morded as a political hostage, handing him over to aster. It was part of their ‘attempt’ to maintain a balance amongst the three. So mordred was basically raised by aster’s clan in part. Little did they know anvil hardly cared for lorded because he didn’t consider mordred to be his own.
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    Yow any thoughts about Martial Peak
    Just asking if I'm in for a rude awakening constraint constraint
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      I can only say it's average.
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      i dropped that garbage early on years ago.

      Imagine having a 2-3 paragraphs of internal monologue in the middle of battle, then 3-4 paragraphs of audience reaction of the battle.
      And another 2-3 paragraphs explaining why he the MC is in the right.
      All these above in EVERY FIGHT.
      spongebobblah spongebobblah spongebobblah spongebobblah
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        Nice to hear that you're still hating on the novel after years of not reading it, happy for you. I really like how the fights are conveyed, fights are a clash of two wills, first and formost we need to understand what people in them think and feel. I would recommend you to play shit instead of reading. Far more straightforward medium for what you are looking for.
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          no one ask your opinion pleb. Gfy.
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      Typical chinese storyline, it's fast paced and entertaining but lack finesse.

      Instead of the novel, the manga might be a better alternative.
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        There's a Manga big bro where?. Please share, If u time to spare swindler swindler
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          lol, it's at manhuaplus

          You can find it at many other sites, just google search.
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      Y're goin to regret reading this shit. It will disappoint you sooner than you think
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        lol, actually the manga series makes up for the flaws in the novel imo, it has a huge following, updates 2 pages daily for years now.
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        Nah I read both the manhua and the novel slop. The damn raw mtls too. And my god the manhua is 10x better
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      i love gooning
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    Anyone know when and if they’re gonna start charging for chapters?
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      They charge 10 dollars every month for the privileged in the official website called "webnovel"
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      Don't give him ideas, bud. finger
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        Jokes aside, I like reading here because unlike other sites ranobes doesn't seem to be like those hungry ghouls who chase after money.

        Besides selling someone else's work without their consent can lead to serious consequences. Few greedy mfs are releasing latest chapters and putting them behind paywall, they are inviting their own doom.
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          Yeah like novelbin
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            I don't know if it's a glitch or not, novelbin only ask to pay coins when accessing the site through the phone, however using laptop no such thing can be seen.

            Been using novelbin for years and ultimately migrated here because of that.

            I guess i'm now an pirated migrant hahaha
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              Bro sailed from one sea to another.
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    Imagine in another timeline where Ki song is alive and partners up with Sunny in war. Two different types of necromancers. They would flood the battlefield with their Corpse Army and Shadow army. They would be unstoppable oru2x
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      Ikr that would be so cool too. I kinda wanted ki song to be alive and work together with them it's a pity she refused
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      yup damn shame Nephis killed her cause Sunny could have enslaved her like he did Anvil if he got the killing blow
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      *Puppeteer not necromancer.

      Ki Song used to use dead bodies as her puppets not literally revive them with their power intact like necromancer do.

      But yeah, it would have been very cool if Sunny had slayed Ki. He would have been able to command those giant statues of seven heros of Forgotten Shore with the help of her powers. Wasted opportunity I guess sigh
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      That would be cool !

      Anvil is kind of a lost cause, his death a forgone conclusion but i suppose Ki Song could be "turned" into an actual ally if either Nephis or Sunny took the effort to explain.

      She could be another hidden Sovereign like Sunny is, working in the shadows, what a waste she died.
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    Shadow Smith?
    No, Anvil is the real Shadow Slave baiden
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    WE ARE SO BACK ehh

    'Weaving' is slowly but surely developing into something that will be used actively to fight battles just like Nephis uses 'Shaping' in her fights or Anvil used to apply 'Runic Sorcery' in his battles.
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      I doubt it.

      Considering what we know about weaving I can't imagine Sunny doing it at the middle of a battle, it's too complex compare to Anvil writing runes with his swords. Sunny is better to make a memory with the effect(s) he wants before, maybe this charm will be something like that.

      Also I think each type of sorcery needs to keep its own advantages.
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        That's why I said 'slowly' because he still far from reaching that point. Besides Anvil had been Supreme for more than two decades, with time he learned to integrate his Sorcery with his battle art. Until we saw him using 'Runic Sorcery' in battles, none of us ever imagined that it could be used like that. Same can be said with 'Weaving'. I doubt Weaver used to use this Sorcery only for forging memories.
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          Even with time i don't believe weaving allow that... drawing runes is not the same as weaving thousands threads or more, it's inhently not something you do on the spot.

          Until we saw him using 'Runic Sorcery' in battles, none of us ever imagined that it could be used like that.

          It's not hard to imagine unlike weaving. And Noctis did something similar to cut sun prince arm, although it was something he prepared in advance. There countless work where characters draws runes in the air.

          I doubt Weaver used to use this Sorcery only for forging memories.

          No idea, but weaver doesn't seem to be a direct fighter. Memories, echoes, or weaving threads of fate to make the spell seem to be works that needs time. Sure at his level i m sure he could make some things Sunny find difficult instantly but the whole concept of weaving feel like its creator liked to take his time. That's how i see it.
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            There countless work where characters draws runes in the air.

            Yeah, but definitely not in SS. Before Anvil, everytime 'Runic Sorcery' was used by various characters like Hope, Noctis and Cassie, one thing was common and that is...it takes time. You yourself proved it with Noctis's eg.

            weaver doesn't seem to be a direct fighter

            Brother, we don't know jack shit about Weaver. what if he turns out be someone like Art from tbate. Just imagine cutting a single string connecting to your life midway battle and rendering you unable to fight. What if 'Weaving' is the key to wield 'Fate' as a weapon 🤷
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              It's the author who said Weaver was not a direct fighter.

              And again drawing runes and weaving thousands or more threads is not the same things. It's just not practical to do that during a fight.
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                It's the author who said Weaver was not a direct fighter.

                And author himself has said multiple times, nothing he says outside of the novel is canon and there are always possibilities to change.
                And again drawing runes and weaving thousands or more threads is not the same things. It's just not practical to do that during a fight.

                Weaving threads during fights are impractical and Drawing runes out in thin air are practical 😅

                No really, is anything even practical in ss in the first place. And yeah, he can't do right now but what if he aquire other pieces of weaves and hones his sorcery for thousands of year while trying to achieve 'secrecy' in TOA?

                Anything can happen in future dude, I'm just being optimistic here and presenting you theories and possibilities for his upcoming growth. Stop thinking from his current standards, try to broaden your mind will'ya.
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                  I'm sorry but I maintain this sorcery is not made for that, it's not a problem of Sunny not being good enough. And yes drawing letter in the air is not very practical either but don't compare that with weaving, just seeing how complex the threads of the silver bell is described, it's clear it's not something you do on the spot.

                  And again, i think runic magic need to keep its own advantages.
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                  And why do you think Runic Sorcery will loose its advantages if Weaving will also be used in battles? Just saying anything at this point to prove your point😒

                  Weaves of silver bell seems very complicated at that point bcs Sunny had only one/two Weaves at that point. Watch his efficiency to learn and Weave will skyrocket once he starts acquiring other Weaves, specially the Mind Weave.
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                  Because with runic sorcery or shapping, the same effect would need to say one or two words or write a sentence, on the other side you need to weave thousands threads to do the same. That's why I'm saying weaving is a sorcery specialized for crafting. And yes the fact runic and shapping are more simple, in term of the actions you need is a comparative advantage.
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                  Again saying anything 😮‍💨
                  Naming is not simple then Weaving. It's the most ancient type of sorcery and so difficult to use, even in ancient times. That's why Hope invented Runic Sorcery, so that even mortals can perform sorcery with ease which seemed to be difficult through Naming.
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            Sunny just needs to weave threads sharp enough to cut through any creature of the same rank.
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              Author said it's not possible, he can only touch the threads because of bone weave, for others it's immaterial.
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                Sunny's shadow helpers like gloomy, happy were also just like normal shadows without any damage dealing capacities of their own when Sunny was just Awakened but look at them now 🤷

                Sunny can manifest weapons from shadows that are strong enough on par with Supreme ones. Are these thing possible back in the days? So why do you think it's completely impossible to make threads, sharp enough to cut other beings in future once he Masters his sorcery even further? Again try to broaden your mind please...
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                  It's not the same things. And since Sunny has shadow manifestation he's already able to make cutting threads or blade with it.

                  As for the threads he uses for weaving, to weave something with neph soul he needed to enter her sea soul. If you have access to your opponent soul you already won. Such a things may be possible for something far weaker than you.
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                  Geez, I'm not saying he will use his sorcery exactly like that, what I'm saying is anything can be possible in future that outright seems impossible at this point.
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                  Iirc you said what he's doing now is the first step for that. I'm saying weaving is a sorcery specialized for crafting. We are not agree and it's certainly better to stop there.
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                  When did I said it's the first step ?? Dude spouting anything to make feel yourself right 😒

                  I clearly said that he is far from being to the point where he will use his sorcery on battles.

                  And off course we don't agree because you clearly don't want to think from different perspectives and always seems to cling to your own lies even after being pointed as a mistake based on logics presents in novel itself.
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      He has learned some runic sorcery he helped cassie study the runic circle in the ebony tower. He could use it the same way anvil did if he wanted to. Weaving isn't a fast sorcery but it creates permanent effects it's a different category
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        I don't think Sunny can use 'Runic Sorcery' in his battles because his knowledge of 'Runic Sorcery' is at very basic level. He learned it because it shares some common principles with 'Weaving'. I would say his knowledge of 'Runic Sorcery' is even inferior to Cassie's.
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          It won't be difficult for Sunny to learn it, after all he is now able to fuse with objects and study them from inside. It's a great help to learn.

          But he doesn't really need it, with shadow manifestation he can hold opponents... unlike Anvil who needed sorcery to do that. For things more specifics he can prepare a memory in advance or made one that have many uses.
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            It won't be difficult for Sunny to learn it, after all he is now able to fuse with objects and study them from inside. It's a great help to learn.

            Brother you are getting confused here. Although 'Weaving' and 'Runic Sorcery' share some common principles, they are vastly different. What Sunny learns by fusing with Memories, echoes or Shadows (like Saint), are Spellweaves, their functions and mechanism not their Runes.

            Besides 'Runic Sorcery' itself is a modified version of 'Sorcery of Names'. One has to transcribe true names on physical objects and channel his essence and will to aquire wanted results. Sunny himself has admitted that he had tried to learn 'Sorcery of Names' in multiple occasions but it turned out he is not very good with it, one has to be born with it. How can Sunny learn and use 'Runic Sorcery' at pro level when it is used with 'Sorcery of Names', something in which Sunny is terrible at.
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              Brother you are getting confused here. Although 'Weaving' and 'Runic Sorcery' share some common principles, they are vastly different. What Sunny learns by fusing with Memories, echoes or Shadows (like Saint), are Spellweaves, their functions and mechanism not their Runes.

              I'm sorry but it's you who don't understand. I'm saying he can use the same ability to learn faster, not that he did learnt runic magic that way, the memories he fused with don't have runic magic in the first place.

              How can Sunny learn and use 'Runic Sorcery' at pro level when it is used with 'Sorcery of Names', something in which Sunny is terrible at.
              When he tried to learn it, Sunny was able to retain true name, what was difficult to him was to say them loudly.
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                I'm sorry but it's you who don't understand. I'm saying he can use the same ability to learn faster, not that he did learnt runic magic that way, the memories he fused with don't have runic magic in the first place.


                Sorry dude, You don't know yourself what you're saying. Let me tell you once again, when he fuses with other memories, echoes or Shadows he learns their Spellweaves not their Runes. He can't use the same ability to learn Runic Sorcery. If learning runes is that easy then why in the hell Sunny sought for Cassie's help everytime when he needs to find about someone's runes huh? For example Rain? He should have known all her runes when he fused/augmented with her right ?

                When he tried to learn it, Sunny was able to retain true name, what was difficult to him was to say them loudly.

                Why are you asking me why is it difficult to say them aloud, ask g3. Go read chapter in which Sunny brought Cassie to Rain to find about her Runes. He had clearly admitted that he's not good in 'Naming/Shaping'. One has to be born with it.
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                  Let me tell you once again, when he fuses with other memories, echoes or Shadows he learns their Spellweaves not their Runes.
                  And again... I never said he learnt runic magic from those items, since they don't have runic sorcery in the first place. Btw shadows don't have spellweaves, they disapear when he turns them into shadows.

                  He can't use the same ability to learn Runic Sorcery.
                  That's where we disagree, this ability to turn into a shadow and fuse with objects and study them from inside is not limited to weaving sorcery, he can use it to understand his shadow attributes and abilities, and I'm sure he can use it in any type of studies. For exemple he can try to use it for the unknown sorcery he met but it's just an idea.

                  Why are you asking me why is it difficult to say them aloud, ask g3.
                  I was not asking you... Sunny said himself he success to retain true name he failed in the latter part, see the chapter where Nephis tried to taught him that. And yes you're better to have a natural talent to be shapper.
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                  Are you out of your mind or what? What's so hard to understand what I'm saying? Sunny can never be a Runic Sorcerer, atleast not at the level where he can use it in battles like you said. Because he clearly has no talent for that. Sunny's own words BTW 👇
                  "Shaping is very different from the kind of sorcery I practice. They share some basics, but not enough to qualify me as a teacher. In truth… actually, I tried to learn the Sorcery of Names on many occasions. But it was all useless. I just don't have the talent for it — and unlike runic sorcery, one has to be born a Shaper."
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                  Sigh I never said Sunny will become a shapper, I only told you he was at least able to retain true names, what he failed is the latter part, saying them loudly. And unlike shapping runic sorcery doesn't need a birth gift.
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          No....that's outrageous he's probably one of tge most knowledgeable people in Runic sorcery alive....hes not the best and just learnt it for convenience so he can't use it in combat not that he'd want to...but he has the knowledge and did u just say even inferior to Cassie noq thar Anvil is dead there's no on earth that can compare to Cassie in knowledge of Runic Sorcery ...She repaired the flying ship and deciphered several of hopes secrets from the tower when she was just Awakened not counting how she's almost self thought infact in the whole series I can count people I think are better than her on 1 hand (Hope,Noctis,Eurys(cause he's too old to not know)Atheltia and Anvil) infact I have no doubt she can use it in combat especially after watching Anvil do it she just has to become Supreme and make it effective
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            You forgot the enchanters of valor. Not sure how cassie is compared to them, but i m not sure she's at their level. And she is far from the peoples you mentioned: Anvil, Noctis, Alethia.

            About the ivory tower i don't think cassie really needed to understand the spell only the commands. I imagine it's like having a car you don't need to understand how it work to understand how to use it.
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      I think sunny should be able to use simple enchantments in battle

      Plus if you remember Shadow dance 5 had something to do with sorcery
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        Plus if you remember Shadow dance 5 had something to do with sorcery

        Huh, Since when ?? 2
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        It was never said any step of shadow danse is related to sorcery. The 5th step is about replicate abilities and attributes.
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      I don't think it will be actively or directly used sorcery in combat like Anvil does.

      It most likely be something Sunny preplanned, either placed in a chosen area to battle or through some kind of memory, or gadgetry and brought out when needed for fast deployment of "weaving sorcery".

      The word weaving implies something that requires both time and talent. In the heat of battle Sunny would not be able to weave something elaborate or effective enough to matter much.
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        I'm sorry dude, I'm already having argument with the Great Lost from Sight. I don't have energy to repeat myself. But I think I have already presented my pov regarding this argument. Check out if you want 👆
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          I saw both of ur points. And i actually do agree to both points. However Lost from sight got 1 point wrong and you right imo.

          However what's missing here is deployment of weaving sorcery. I'm assuming u r of the opinion that Sunny is able to weave on the spot during a battle, i'm not against the idea and would welcome it, however i suspect he at most be able to weave small spells (to ultimately form an elaborate weave spell) and place them throughout the battlefield only in the event of a prolonged battle.

          For short skirmishes he's likely to use memories or gadgetry that's purpose built with weaving sorcery, for a fast kill.

          For a stronger enemies Sunny will choose a battlefield of his choice and set-up elaborate weaving spell traps.

          That's my take based on Sunny's character and also his particular sorcery.
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            Can you say where i was wrong?
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              Runic Sorcery, you got that point wrong as you didn't consider that when learning sorcery requires natural talent, of which Sunny lacks in that particular field.

              As for Weaving u r indeed correct, and SHIV is also correct, the difference i think is the deployment of the spell during battle.
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                I don't really think Sunny will learn it since he has no much use of it. Considering how complex it is it would be a waste to learn it only to reproduce Anvil skill. He's better to craft one memory that can do the same. He also has Anvil with him if he has a problem in this field. But still i think his ability to turn into a shadow and fuse with an object would be a great help if he tries.
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                  Let me put this down in easier terms.

                  Gifted in sorcery.

                  1. Sunny = Weaving Sorcery, self learnt either due latent talent or acquired by weavers lineage

                  2. Cassie = Runic Sorcery, learnt from Noctis (sunny gave up) and further refined by her future self (and also corrupted form) in the 3rd nightmare, possibly passing down advanced knowledge.

                  3. Nephis = Name Sorcery, learned in the 3rd nightmare from Ananke (sunny gave up).

                  Notice the wording gave up.
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                  I know Sunny didn't pursue runic sorcery when he discovered it would need hundred years, but it was before. Now it would be easier to learn it, again i don't think he would because the advantages are too small compared to the effort.

                  For shapping... he also gave up after he failed, but if he reach the 5th step of shadow danse and copy Rain attribute (and if he recover his true name). It's possible for him to learn it. Nothing is really impossible to learn for him if he continue to improve shadow danse. Compare to runic sorcery i think there more chance he tries shapping in the future. Because it's not as time consumming, as long he can copy what he's lacking.
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                  Hmmm, u r talking about a possibility of what Sunny might do in that future you suggested.

                  If that's the case then it's possible.
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            I like your take dude welldone

            It's just that, the other guy is so stubborn with his points everytime we arguments on some matter that outright seems to neglect all the counters presented based on facts and stubbornly clings to his own lies.
            For example last time he said Rain will get infected with Nightmare Spell if she goes out of Supremes Domain and when i said she has already done that multiple times after Awakening but didn't get infected(for eg when she entered the Godgrave first time and when Sunny took her to Nameless Temple), he outright neglected all these facts and tried to force his own logics from I don't no where onto me😅
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              And i maintain Rain didn't leave a domain in godrave... she followed the song expedition who conquered one citadel after another expanding the domain of the queen as they advanced.
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                @BorderlineCoffeeAddict, See, this is what I'm talking about 😅
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                  Aren't you playing the victim? I only told you why i think Rain didn't leave a domain during this expedition, we are not agree but that doesn't mean i didn't heard you. Honestly i completely forgot we had this conversation before you mentioned it.
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                  Playing victims?? Dude it's not me who started this arguments nor the previous one. It's you both the time, come out of no where and starts arguing with some nonsense. You want me to accept, whatever nonsense you say??

                  And off course you don't remember our conversation, just like you tend to forget major plot points all the time. Dude, you go around arguing literally everyone on daily basis, and most of the time you are not even right. Just like Rain one, ask the other guy if you are right on that matter or not. If you are I will accept my defeat.
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          Your arguments is mainly we should be opened to all possibility. And Sunny will become better in the future.
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            Dude, let's stay far away from each other's comments from next time. Talking to you is like talking to a tree. Two ways conversation is completely impossible with you. So please, leave me alone, okay 👌
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