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Chapter 2611: More Dreadful Wraith
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    Mawxsss
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    weavers fixation with sunny can be explained by the fact that sunnys aspect allows him to adopt the weavers lineage. or maybe weaver even planned his aspect, but other then that, i think theres a seperate connection they have. The weaver seems way too similar to sunny, either sunny has subconsciously acted like the weaver due to both of their inherent tie to fate, or sunny is related to weaver, maybe even is weaver through some weird time loop phenomena. Ive said this before but fate seems way too strong to be linear, if fate was linear it would be pretty easy to break, im assuming fate affects everything at once, past, present, future, anything that happens is considered fate, even breaking fate, that allows for the possibility of sunny being weaver himself, and the cohort the rest of the daemons
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    AINZOOALGON
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    Noice
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    Atlas
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    i wonder why the Nightmare spell isnt saying their names
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    Sonmeyj
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    I bet these guys were created somehow because of Sunny's extraction from fate, seeing as how the Nightmare Spell doesn't really know what it is.
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    Raunak Nair
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    Unending slaughter
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      Lime9158
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      If you could call her an undying slaughter
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    Mystery26
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    If Asterion Extracted the war lineage from Mordet as a kid does it mean Mordet only has a divine aspect but no divine lineage?
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      Shockwave
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      Basically its like how kisong gave the beast lineage to her daughters by blood transfer so he would still have his lineage and asterion took some of it to get it for himself probably just some blood
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        Blessme
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        Bro author said it that Asterion plundered it from Nightwalker and i think this means he stole the lineage from him but I idk author is confusing idk
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          LordCluck45
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          See here. Asty boi gotta catch em all. mordy-War, Nigtkalker-strom ok?
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      Redist_King
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      He probs only took it from just one of the reflections
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    iDFC
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    Btw someone in here just mentioned that bk was i quote "fated or some bs" i remember every member of the Nine were fated, was anyone else beside sunny and the 9?
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      seeNovel
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      Probably at some point in history, but we don't know.
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      midnightblade213
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      weaver probably
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        Eternity of Reading
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        Weaver WAS the concept of "[Fated]" itself
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          Theicker
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          Probably no actually. He felt very constricted by slayer because since she was fated it was like the intrings of fate were against weaver. I believe this implies that he wasn't fated. More than that, i am pretty certain that he did not create fate, since he himself did not posses control of it
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            Eternity of Reading
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            Weaver’s a bum if he can’t control his own Domain, and since he’s not a bum, I’m headcannoning him to being able to
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    Mitch
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    When is Sunny going to upgrade his shadow dance or whatever? Can’t remember what that’s called either. Or does he need his true name back because he can’t really advance his shadow moves because he’ll lose himself? Cause he should be able to literally turn into anything on a whim
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      Nicktheninja
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      Yeah, the biggest thing about advancing shadow dance is that he will legitimately need to experience and fully believe in being whatever he takes the form of. That’s one of the most significant reasons he will need his fate back from the bird, beyond being remembered by his compatriots. The last time we saw him using the “next” level of shadow dance was towards the end of that game where he got, I think it was the soul weave, where he became one of (again, awful with names, I think it was Night’s) children. He almost didn’t come back from that, and that was with really short exposure.

      On that note, I agree with the sentiment. I really can’t wait for him to get his fate back for a great number of reasons. Excited to see what he’ll be able to do with his abilities and maybe even his lost Memories that were stored in the spell, plus his friends finally remembering him. Interested in seeing the outrage and feelings of betrayal, but also the realization in how his actions connected to what they forgot in the span of their reunion. That was a word vomit, so if something didn’t make sense, don’t worry about it lol.
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        lenothingeverhappens
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        I think Sunny doesn't need to get back his True Name from VTB to use properly Shadow Dance.

        If you remember, when they were inside the Death Game, every Cursed creature they killed had a name that no other creature in the world could have had. Like Plato's ideas, those creatures were the perfect representation of the concept. The giant worm was the representation of infinity, hence why he alone was called Infinity. The horde of rats is the Rat King, THE Rat King, meaning there isn't any other creature that represents the concept of a Rat King better than that creature. The Wolf is the prototypical wolf, no other wolf can be as "wolf" as The Wolf.

        So, Sunny needs to embody a concept to become Sacred, and since he will become the concept in and of itself, that will be what he is, the perfect representation of the concept he'll become. No other creature can be that, or better yet, they can be a lower, not perfect, representation of it.

        Sunny needs an anchor to not loose himself when he performs shadow dance, so he just needs to anchor himself to the fact that he's That Concept and he won't lose himself, or his freedom from Nephis.

        But since G3 has been foreshadowing the concept of choosing your bindings in two convos, between Sunny and Effie and between Sunny and Kai, I think there's room for debate over whether he will retrieve his fate or not.

        I think the situation is already compromised, you can't put back together perfectly that which was destroyed (the tapestry of fate), so maybe they will remember him but with great difficulty, and his true name will be changed.
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          Nicktheninja
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          That is a completely fair and well composed argument. The spell is just a way for people to expedite getting stronger, and people did it of their own means well before the spell. I am not sure if this has been disproved or otherwise confirmed, but I am of the belief that the spell is not synonymous with fate, and that it is simply built on it.

          By that concept, the corrupted creatures are still part of fate, and the spell interacts with fate to know what would otherwise be unknown, which is how it knows their respective titles. And to further my elaboration of how I understand it, true names would be connected to fate itself. It has been explicitly stated that Sunny still has a true name, he’s just disconnected from it. We also just don’t have any more data on any other fateless creatures. Weaver himself had to specifically manipulate fate in order to create the circumstances for a chance for a fateless weapon, showing the extremely unique situation Sunny is in.

          Also, Named enemies don’t necessarily mean that’s their true name. I don’t think that’s an argument you explicitly made, but it’s relevant for my train of thought. Regardless of that specific fact, the most apt concept Sunny possesses would be Death; however, that is not his true name. In all honesty, I could be wrong here, but I can’t remember any instance of knowing whether the spell will refer to other beings besides the user by their true name, which is what this part of my argument hinges on. In any case, they’re corrupted and thus not the best examples for maintaining your sense of self. At best, they’re embodying their Concept mindlessly, which Sunny can do too and has almost done on multiple accounts by losing himself in pretending to be something else. We also saw this in their third (?) nightmare where everybody ended up with their corrupted twins.

          Honestly, my rambling so far has been pretty directionless and potentially besides the point. At the crux of it, Sunny needs some sort of anchor to help him not lose himself to shadow dance; this is something you explicitly said yourself, even (sorry lol I’m drafting in bulk and then reading your comment intermittently to make sure I’m not deviating too far). I don’t entirely understand my own fixation with him needing his true name to solve this problem. You are absolutely right, it is the most direct way, and also not the only solution. He does embody a Concept, and one of those is the ability to mould himself into other concepts. Because of the abstract and contradictory nature of that aspect of his Concept, I can’t make a definitive argument for it.

          Most directly, my fixation on his true name aligns with the glancing points you made. There are just too many implications of Sunny intending to get his fate back, to the point of him explicitly saying such, and a large number of plot points that are set up hinging on that fact. This includes his objective to kill the VTB after he collects all of Weavers legacy, and also the theme of “accepting that there are some chains you choose to bear willingly” that GuiltyThree has been developing. The idea that his friends will only remember pieces of their history is honestly fascinating. I still disagree, as fate is currently in tatters but we don’t see any obvious signs of side effects beyond prophets no longer being able to read fate. We also don’t know if fate will restructure itself once Sunny’s foundational piece is hypothetically reintegrated. It could be a cool theme of consequences, but who knows. I realize you recognized and even explicitly mentioned some of these details, this is just for the sake of clarity in my beliefs.

          Sorry this yap ended up being so long lol, I’m not even sure if this will be coherent to somebody else. I love this book so much and none of my friends read it, so upon given the chance to talk about the nuances of the plot and settings, I absolutely pounced on it. Hopefully you find at least part of this interesting, I loved your take and I hope this was more constructive theorizing than critical.
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      Shockwave
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      He upgraded it during the death games and went all the way to tier 5 to go any further he needs his true name to not just forget himself and become what he transforms into
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      sha_dow
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      That's called an legacy aspect
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    Mitch
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    Damn Jet needs to leave these to Sunny so he can build a shadow Navy lol.

    Ok so since jet can just strike directly at the soul does that mean she could one shot Sunny’s most powerful shadows?
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      iDFC
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      She pretty much one shots everything that doesn't have soul damage defense atp
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      Fortunate
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      One shot will only work against Slayer. More than one shot for the others cuz they have more than one soul core except Saint which is completely immune to soul attacks.
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    mertt1ance
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    These outskirt rats fight like demons bro, you gotta love them

    From the info we got broken sword too was a demon like fighter but i wish we get a flashback, since he had the shadow weave, when sunny goes for it can something like that happen constraint
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      Mitch
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      Damn I can’t remember these chapters. I know Broken sword was fated or whatever that’s why they didn’t want many people knowing about him or some bs when does it say broken sword bad the shadow weave? My memory is terrible but I just thought it said somewhere that be was in the underworld
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        iDFC
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        BK obtained weavers linage, if people worship daemon, fogoten god gets stronger coz daemons comes from him, that was the reason BK got killed by cohort and that also the reason why Sunny had to fake his death after the war.
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        mertt1ance
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        Just before Sunny's supremacy, Anvil told Sunny that they had to kill him because he obtained the forbidden lineage of Weaver and if people were to worship him it would wake the forgotten god faster, which made sunny act dead after the war
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