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Chapter 2831: Memory Key
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    eldarreiny
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    Theory time:
    Jet, Kai, Effie will somehow become supreme. Sunny gets his fate back, obvilions grave becomes asterions seal.
    Only thing that would be so amazing is if it ends with someone becoming the master of sunny against his own wishes of nephis. It would make sunny hate his fate beyond anything.
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      Rei-absolute
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      I also think they'll become Supreme naturally, since G3 probably won't want to do another Nightmare arc for him separately (of course, if it happens, maybe they'll do it like with Morderet, "after a long time he ascended").
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        eldarreiny
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        Exactly 💯
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      codesta147
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      Well it seems like Cassie is the closest one to becoming Supreme. And if that does come to pass, he'd likely have to create a divine memory instead of relying on the thieving bird in order to get rid of his fate or his true name again.
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        ZionCrestZero
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        It's been very clear from the beginning of the volume Cassie is already a sovereign with Will
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          eldarreiny
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          💯 agree to this
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        eldarreiny
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        I doubt a memory can go against the nightmare spells flaw
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          codesta147
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          Well that's not for certain as in this case it's not like Mordret's where if he manages to become whole his flaw would likely shatter him again rendering any effort pretty much moot but it's different in Sunny's case. His flaw comes in 2 parts so maybe he can elimate his 'slave' part of the flaw but still have his 'truth' part of the flaw. Or maybe he needs to obtain a new true name whenhe is fateless, there's a lot of possibilities for this.
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      qwerty1705
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      sunny doesnt hate it anymore
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        eldarreiny
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        Yup, but... If it fell to mordret or afternoon he would
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          qwerty1705
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          it wont tho. it will always be nephis unless she dies
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            eldarreiny
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            It did. Nephis lost that when sunny became fateless. So currently sunny does not have a master. And if he gets fate back it doesn't automatically come back to nephis.
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              qwerty1705
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              it does
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    Rei-absolute
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    Quote: Rei-absolute
    Chapter 1122: Mirror of Truth
    Memory: [Mirror of Truth]
    Memory Classification: Ascended.
    Memory Level: Seven.
    Memory Type: Tool.
    Memory Description: [Weaver was known as the master of lies, while Ariel was known as the guardian of truth. The two were not close and rarely met, which is why Ariel was surprised to find Weaver staring at his pyramid one day.]

    "Isn't my tomb beautiful? You came to admire it?" said Ariel.

    After a moment of silence, Weaver replied.

    "I didn't know you had built a tomb, nor had I ever seen it. How would I know I should admire it? I was simply here by chance. Now that I've seen it, my heart is untouched. I feel nothing."

    Then Weaver asked.

    "But you seem to feel too much, Demon of Terror. Your face is awful. You're smiling, but tears are streaming from your eyes. Why?"

    Ariel laughed and said, "I'm not sure." He laughed and cried as he gazed at the tomb, saying, "I built it to bury the truth. The truth is the most horrendous thing in the world, Weaver, and knowing it is cruel torment. I intend to bury the truths I cannot bear in the heart of this tomb and free myself from them forever."

    Weaver remained silent.

    After some time, Weaver spoke.

    "It seems to me you already have. And you already are."

    With that, the Demon of Destiny turned and walked away without looking back.

    As he walked away, Weaver whispered,

    "...You wanted to get rid of the truth, so you didn't deserve it."



    Look, Weave went to verify the truth in the estuary (even though he already knew) as well as to go to Oblivion's tomb. During this conversation, I can say that he said, "I knew you would build this tomb, I've seen it before, how could I not admire it? I came here with a purpose, now that I've done it, my heart is troubled, I'm so sorry." (I decided not to put a specific emotion; if I were to, it would be sadness.) In the following dialogue, Ariel says he buried the truths he couldn't bear. I suppose these truths would be the probable (since we're not sure if it was before or after he built ) death of Oblivion and about the forgotten god (Dreams). One could theorize that Ariel was crying because, by burying the truth/memories (probably) about Oblivion, he must have felt like when Cassie when forgot Sunny. However, Ariel was also happy since he had lifted a great weight off his shoulders. Regarding the mention of a Weave in Oblivion, as far as I recall, it doesn't happen. What occurs is an interaction in his tomb that is part of the plan to spread his bloodline without it belonging to him...
    [Soul Weave.]
    Attribute Description: [You have inherited a part of Weaver's forbidden lineage. Your soul has been altered and imbued with stalwart potency. A lonely demon shed tears standing above a forgotten grave. A tree grew from the ground where the demon's tears fell, and from it grew a wondrous fruit.]

    Weaver's Plan Below. Note: If I say anything wrong, please correct me.
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      Rei-absolute
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      Chapter 1752 Reading About Nothing

      Weaver's plan to create his bloodline began long before the War of Doom started, so it was a time when Weaver had a lot of freedom to come and go from where his brothers lived since he wasn't hunted yet

      Nether; Where is the Void and where is its Portal? How did Weaver enter it and what did Weaver see?

      [Why did Weaver decide to break the will of the gods and create a bloodline?]

      [Blood, bone, flesh. Soul, spirit, mind. And shadow.]

      [The gods will discover the transgression, but they cannot.]

      [This is because, having created a bloodline, Weaver does not possess a bloodline. It was lost and will be lost, therefore, it was never in Weaver's possession. No one can be punished for something that never existed.]
      [A piece is lost in fantasy, a piece is lost in fear.] A piece is lost in rest, a piece is lost in darkness. A piece is lost in sadness, a piece is lost in decay. And finally, a piece is stolen by a thief.

      I always find it incredible how Weaver spread his own bloodline and wasn't punished.

      [That's because, having created a bloodline, Weaver doesn't possess a bloodline. It was lost and will be lost, therefore it was never in Weaver's possession. No one can be punished for something that never existed.]

      Since he created the bloodline but it was never in his possession, the bloodline wasn't his, even though it came from him.

      With Mirage he left his reflection.
      With Ariel he leaves a truth.
      With Rime he leaves a scroll with a story and streets.
      With Nether he leaves his shadow.
      With Oblivion he leaves his soul.
      With Hope/Nether he leaves his bone.
      And one (blood) is stolen by the VTB.

      All scattered in a way that comes from him, but doesn't belong to him, as if unconsciously, lost unintentionally (although not). I would say the most complicated was the blood; it leaves me in doubt. Of course, the VTB was powerful, but I doubt Weaver would have lost his eye if not on purpose. Of course, the VTB had to be powerful because just because Weaver lets someone hurt him doesn't mean that person will succeed. It would be the same as Sunny letting a normal person stab him; he wouldn't get hurt. So, the VTB is/was strong, and I wonder what happened to Weaver's eye because the Weaver bloodline comes from a drop of Icor that dripped from the stolen eye, before you think it comes from the eye itself.
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    Damian Wolf
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    What a cliffhanger. I need a Sunny and Neph pov RIGHT NOW!! TOMB OF ARIEL!! acinema
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    DeathOfSuper
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    Hell yeah I knew this. They want Oblivion's grave at the heart of TOA to seal him there. Also VTB won't work but ppl won't shut up about it. VTB would send Sunny and Neph to shadow realm.
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    Jobin
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    Oblivion ~demon of oblivion~tomb of Ariel I need sunny pov giveme sunny pov
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      Laythan
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      They are going to the place where sunny lost his nightmare curse and also his fate and where he became unfated
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    _Merlin Hermes_
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    I'm still inclined to believe that sunphis didn't go to TOA, I might be wrong but let's wait for the lore to drop.
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    tefe
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    They called us crazy, but we're right, they'll wipe out Asterion with VTB.
    hail Weaver! hail dreams god!
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      Negary
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      G3 said VTB isn't an option. So either Sacred Sunphis/ new knowledge or Supreme Cassie
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    void_WALKER
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    Cassie be moving like prime LeBron in these memories, 1000 steps with full aggression
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    ZionCrestZero
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    Everyone is forgetting something by jumping into the conclusion of Ariel's Tomb=oblivion. When weaver went to visit Ariel to verify if oblivion is buried there weaver verified it while wearing the mask

    Weaver:
    I have not known that you've built a tomb, nor have I ever seen it. How would I know to admire it? I just happened to be here by chance. Now that I've seen it, my heart is untouched. I feel nothing.


    Does those words sounds truthful or lies? So again I ask are y'all sure oblivion is burried in Ariel's Tomb?

    I'll add the best translation I can for it.
    Weaver without mask
    I have known that you've built a tomb, and I have seen it. How would I not admire it? I came here for that purpose. I haven't even seen it, yet my heart is touched. I feel something.

    I know it is confusing because in the first part he says he has not seen it but on the latter part he says he's seen it.

    We've hit a paradox people. This is a true example of neither true or false, neither lie or truth. It's like saying "I am lying, everything I say is a lie and that's the truth"
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      void_WALKER
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      That means there is a chance Oblivion is not in ToA? Or in ToA but not buried in the place where weaver left his tears?
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        ZionCrestZero
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        We need to verify with the exact words weaver said. I got the description from wiki, does anyone know what were the chapters Weaver mentioned oblivion?
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          Rei-absolute
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          Chapter 1122: Mirror of Truth
          Memory: [Mirror of Truth]
          Memory Classification: Ascended.
          Memory Level: Seven.
          Memory Type: Tool.
          Memory Description: [Weaver was known as the master of lies, while Ariel was known as the guardian of truth. The two were not close and rarely met, which is why Ariel was surprised to find Weaver staring at his pyramid one day.]

          "Isn't my tomb beautiful? You came to admire it?" said Ariel.

          After a moment of silence, Weaver replied.

          "I didn't know you had built a tomb, nor had I ever seen it. How would I know I should admire it? I was simply here by chance. Now that I've seen it, my heart is untouched. I feel nothing."

          Then Weaver asked.

          "But you seem to feel too much, Demon of Terror. Your face is awful. You're smiling, but tears are streaming from your eyes. Why?"

          Ariel laughed and said, "I'm not sure." He laughed and cried as he gazed at the tomb, saying, "I built it to bury the truth. The truth is the most horrendous thing in the world, Weaver, and knowing it is cruel torment. I intend to bury the truths I cannot bear in the heart of this tomb and free myself from them forever."

          Weaver remained silent.

          After some time, Weaver spoke.

          "It seems to me you already have. And you already are."

          With that, the Demon of Destiny turned and walked away without looking back.

          As he walked away, Weaver whispered,

          "...You wanted to get rid of the truth, so you didn't deserve it."



          Look, Weave went to verify the truth in the estuary (even though he already knew) as well as to go to Oblivion's tomb. During this conversation, I can say that he said, "I knew you would build this tomb, I've seen it before, how could I not admire it? I came here with a purpose, now that I've done it, my heart is troubled, I'm so sorry." (I decided not to put a specific emotion; if I were to, it would be sadness.) In the following dialogue, Ariel says he buried the truths he couldn't bear. I suppose these truths would be the probable (since we're not sure if it was before or after he built ) death of Oblivion and about the forgotten god (Dreams). One could theorize that Ariel was crying because, by burying the truth/memories (probably) about Oblivion, he must have felt like when Cassie when forgot Sunny. However, Ariel was also happy since he had lifted a great weight off his shoulders. Regarding the mention of a Weave in Oblivion, as far as I recall, it doesn't happen. What occurs is an interaction in his tomb that is part of the plan to spread his bloodline without it belonging to him...
          [Soul Weave.]
          Attribute Description: [You have inherited a part of Weaver's forbidden lineage. Your soul has been altered and imbued with stalwart potency. A lonely demon shed tears standing above a forgotten grave. A tree grew from the ground where the demon's tears fell, and from it grew a wondrous fruit.]
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      Cheasnxy_0
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      Its a interesting point, boils down to weaver themself and what the mask actual does to weaver. I believe weaver is lying here

      If we take the idea that weavers flaw is the opposite of sunnys and that they can only lie, the mask enforces the truth onto weaver. But ariel knows the truth, its why he created the tomb in the first place to bury the truth.
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        Klein Moretti_3
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        So, the mask reverses the flaws of anyone wearing it.

        So if weaver is like sunny, with a flaw to always tell the truth, he would be lying, so we have to reverse it. i.e. changing no into yes.

        If his flaw is to never tell truth, then he is telling truth wearing the mask.

        But for it, we have to confirm if he was wearing the mask while saying all that.
        Also, i am more inclined to believe the 1st option, as if we correct the sentences by reversing or correcting so me parts, it will be

        "" I have known that you have built a tomb, and i have even seen it. How would i not know how to admire it? And i have come here with a purpose. Now that i have seen it, my heart is touched. I am feeling.....""
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          Ohshitimsorry
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          Here's some more food for thought. Weaver appeared unmasked only once, during a dialogue with Noctis. However, even masked, he didn't always lie. During his encounters with the Assassin, he was quite honest. This even gave rise to the theory that it was Sunny who entered Weaver's body in the 6th Nightmare. So where did Weaver lie? During the encounter with the demons before the war. And in those instances when Weaver scattered his bloodline. If it was Sunny, then Weaver's bloodline truly never belonged to Weaver. Think about it.

          I have a message with literally everything Tkach said (almost). If you want, I can find it or copy it here.
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            Pathway of shadows
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            Please share it, because I've been asking myself if the siblings are affected by oblivion also... because if that's the case then does that affect what weaver said about the tomb, and what is a lie and what is true in what he said when he spoke with Ariel.


            Also did Ariel use oblivions characteristics in order to hide the truths that he buried in the tomb, that's maybe why it was forgotten until sunny saw some of it
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              Ohshitimsorry
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              2834 chapter
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      derpcake22
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      I think you're forgetting that oblivion's coffin was in the estuary at the end of the third nightmare, right by the tree that gave sunny soul weave.
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        ZionCrestZero
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        I forgot about oblivion? Who's oblivion again? Sorry but I'm oblivious about that.
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        ZionCrestZero
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        What he said so I can say I didn't forget. LoL
        Quote: Ohshitimsorry
        The tomb likely doesn't contain Oblivion because it participated in the War of Doom (see Cassie's memory). Six demons participated in the war, and I think Oblivion's absence would be easier to remember than its presence. Besides, demons aren't alive, so building a tomb for Oblivion is pointless. My understanding is that a "coffin" is simply a powerful artifact created with Oblivion's help.
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      Ohshitimsorry
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      The tomb likely doesn't contain Oblivion because it participated in the War of Doom (see Cassie's memory). Six demons participated in the war, and I think Oblivion's absence would be easier to remember than its presence. Besides, demons aren't alive, so building a tomb for Oblivion is pointless. My understanding is that a "coffin" is simply a powerful artifact created with Oblivion's help.
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        Pathway of shadows
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        You know bro you just created more layers to the confusion I was putting myself through... since I was looking at what weaver said to Ariel, while also thinking that oblivions siblings are affected by his characteristics... so what waver says could be both a lie and a truth
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    drodyakov
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    Finally. THE TOMB
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