Chapter 3003: The Returned

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    I don't really care why they brought back the Dreamers in FS, but doesn't that mean Cassie can delete the memory they were Dreamers, then manifest them as Saints if they actually achieved that rank?
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      I don’t think she can cook up memories that never existed before. Cassie has to have the memory of them being above Dormant rank to manifest them at that rank.
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    NOTICE REGARDING TODAY'S CHAPTERS


    Guys, I went to the web novel chapter because I hadn't checked if there was an author's note. In the days since g3 came back, they've only been posting one chapter at a time, so I let it slip by. There is a note from g3 Today there are 3 chapters.
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      3 chaps today or tomorrow?
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        Tomorrow
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          Quote: Rei-absolute
          Today, because the note was in chapter 3003. And since this chapter was posted yesterday, then 'tomorrow' is today
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        Today, because the note was in chapter 3003. And since this chapter was posted yesterday, then 'tomorrow' is today.
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          Chapter was published after 1 am in moscow time, so I think it was today, not yesterday
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            For me, it was yesterday.
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              Today, yesterday or tomorrow you guys are confusing. Nevermind time doesn't really exist anyways. They're all just terms to confuse me
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      Thank god I was real used to the 2-3 chapters a day and was waiting for some kind of announcement on wether we would stay at 1 chapter a day for the volume or even rest of series or not
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    i don't understand something. from my understanding the spell can grant you a new body if your original body is destroyed upon succeeding our nightmare. doesn't it mean that the people that cassie resurrected become essentially independent if they succeed a nightmare ( as in cassie would not be able to snap them out of existence or need to expend essence to sustain them) ?
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      seems in the end they are permanently paid for by her sadly. That limits them to being merely saints
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      It's essentially her memories manifested in reality. If they had become independent it would mean she would be able to summon them again. I assume if her memories goes up in rank, it would also lock it in her memory and she wouldn't be able to summon inferior version anymore, or summon copies, that's why she always pays the bill for manifesting them.

      To those who don't like this development with resurrection, you seem to forget that Spell has been doing it since chapter 2, and dream realm (or even the whole reality?) and everyone in it is just a dream of the forgotten god.
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        Wait up, I got this crazy idea, The Mad Prince is fundamentally a Corrupted Titan (a Great-rank equivalent). If he achieves Apotheosis on his own to become a Cursed Terror/Titan (Unholy/Sovereign equivalent), he does not need "permission" from Cassie’s aspect to exist. He would exist naturally in reality, entirely outside her summoning mechanics, and would actively threaten her domain
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          You mixed up the ranks, the Mad Prince is a corrupted Titan equivalent to a Transcendent Titan.
          Cassie wouldn't be able to summon a memory of him being a Great Titan (or Supreme Titan) because she can only summon a Great Beast or a Supreme Beast.
          Even if she summoned the Mad Prince again, and somehow he managed to become a Great Titan, he would disappear because Cassie wouldn't be able to sustain him.
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      So basically, they are living people who can live normally, with only 3 differences from ordinary humans.

      1- Although they have shadows, when they die they are destroyed and disappear without leaving a corpse, perhaps similar to a memory.

      2- They are limited on their path to ascension since they depend on Cassie's slot, with only 49 masters and 7 saints allowed for now.

      3- Technically, Cassie can just despawn them at any time (If I were one of them, I would be grateful and scared by the possibility).

      I think it would be interesting if they mixed in other aspects to overcome these limitations of Cassie's ability. There are many crazy and overpowered aspects out there, and I feel a lack of interaction between them, with some canceling each other out or having different effects when they clash.
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        They're all still dead. Cassie is the singularity, she's the giant server in the spell that stores the records of the children of the War God.

        These are her avatars (androids/gynoids) that instead of being orchestrated by a singular skynet consciousness (like Sunless), Cassie has installed different skus from the Forgotten Shore memory pack for autonomous operation.

        They don't really have souls and shadows, it's all Cassie's soul and shadow projected across them (I suspect).
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      This right here, why didn’t G3 choose this path. Cassie just became useful outside fortune telling and scheming, why slap limiters on her right out the gate.
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    well g3 is the author, he can do whatever he wants, but i am not really a fan of bringing the dead of sleepers of forgotten shore. i think it lessens the emotional impact they have left, or idk. it is not like any of them are important characters or will be important
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      I honestly don’t understand either the narrative or thematic reason for bringing them back to life.

      For 3,000 chapters, the story built up this atmosphere, kept talking about the pain, despair, and everything else caused by the deaths of those Sleepers on the Forgotten Shore… only to simply bring them back after all these years.

      This is the peak example of how to destroy an entire atmosphere. And I don’t see a single reason for it.

      On top of that, now in a dark fantasy world where sometimes it’s dangerous to even trust yourself, there is not even a demigod, but basically a god in the form of Cassie someone who, if needed, can bring the necessary character back to life.

      I’m really disappointed.
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        But at the end of the day do these lives really matter? What difference does a few extra saints or masters make when confronting a cursed or unholy one. To put it simply they wont really effect the plot but will help be used to help recover the damage sustained by humanity throughout Asterions attempt.
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          Yeah, exactly. That’s what I’m talking about what was the point of this?

          Yes, they will become a little stronger, but there is still a limit to how far they can go.

          At the same time, this invalidates tons of text where the author showed what a terrible loss it was, how much pain and suffering their deaths caused. Why write all of that in the first place?

          It feels like reaching the end of the story and suddenly writing that Sunny woke up, and all those events were just a dream he had while being in a coma.
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            I think its for some closure, i dont have any issues with it, as long as cassies supreme ability would have been this regardless of of G3 wanted to bring anyone back to life. Its fair game, since she might as well bring them back to life since her ability allows it, and there is no upside to not bringing them back
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              Cool, glad you like it. I don't like this. It's pointless.
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                The point is her true name is "Song of the fallen"
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                  Where did the idea come from that her True Name obligates her to bring people back from the dead? I don’t see where you can put an equals sign there.
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                  Their true names define their existence. 3003 chapters and you're only finding out about this?

                  Asterion even made a special speech about changing star of ruin, sunny got lost from light, Mordret is prince of nothing. Do you need more samples?

                  Basically the spell gives their true names based on how fate defines their fates so yeah

                  Cassie=Song of the Fallen

                  The equal sign is where it's supposed to be
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              The outcome was already good witch tem dead; we had a whole progression of overcoming the traumas that happened on the Black Shores. It was a decision that made the work quite family-friendly, honestly, although it seemed cool on the surface, I didn't like it either.

              It's like Ananke's death with "My lord...I'm afraid," which was devastating, but then she's alive (not that I don't like that), but it loses the weight of the consequences; notice how throughout this entire arc there wasn't a single moment of fear that any character would die.
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                She never died, because that wasn't Ananke.

                I remember feeling weird about it when Nightmare Seed Ananke died, because it totally was a moving and sad scene but then I immediately remembered that she was just an NPC spawned for that scenario.

                However, if Cassie wanted she could merge the real Ananke with the Nightmare Seed Ananke. If she can memory clone the Mad Prince, that means she should be able to copy the memories of Nightmare Seed Ananke and insert them into the real Ananke.

                (Sure she could just memory clone Nightmare Seed Ananke, but why waste a clone slot when you can just install the memories into a superior Supreme chassis)
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          There's one factor you're not considering. Fallen are Cassie's domain. Her essence grows and is empowered by her domain. Basically the more saints once the 7 slots are filled will mean her domain becomes bigger, so. does her essence 7 saint could become 8, 49 Master become 50, the. 8 saints could then grow to 9 and continuously expand
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            Zioncrestzerroooo you ow me a kiiiiiisss
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              When did I ever promise something like that????

              It's weird I don't see any notification of your replies?
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        Is the memory clone ability really more egregious than her memory manipulation ability?

        She can erase, copy, and rewrite memories. Instead of making these clones she can just wipe the minds of living people and install the memories of the dead into their bodies. She can make memory clones and then tweak their software to make them her deathsworn legion. And she can do this for people who are alive. It would be the ultimate tool for espionage, if she couldn't just dig through the collective memories of humanity (all conscious beings? I can't remember how OP it is).

        Can she clone awakened, wipe their memories, copy her own memories into them to build a Cassie strike squad with whatever aspects she needs?

        All the history, choices, experiences, relationships, and character growth of anyone below Supreme rank can be rendered moot or perverted by this Ghost in the Spell.

        plus:

        They're all still dead. Cassie is the singularity, she's the giant server in the spell that stores the records of the children of the War God.

        These are her avatars (androids/gynoids) that instead of being orchestrated by a singular skynet consciousness (like Sunless), Cassie has installed different skus from the Forgotten Shore memory pack for autonomous operation.

        They don't really have souls and shadows, it's all Cassie's soul and shadow projected across them (I suspect).


        (yes I did quote myself ;P )
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      They were dead enough to come back.
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      If they could have become their own entities after conquering a nightmare I would understand, but they aren’t (can’t?, too early to tell) so it’s just a limiter slapped on Cassie because we can’t have her be too strong I guess.
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    It seems the direction taken by the author seems to be controversial on many points.

    Well, some say that playing with death so easily is ruining the story, but from the beginning, death was only a variable, not the end of a life.

    Many times the author has played with death, In Example, Sunny has died to become a shadow, literally, but he is still alive so what's the point of pointing that couldn’t work for Cassie?

    Moreover, Sunny's shadows are literally dead but they are still "alive" somewhat. The same goes for Slayer who is very dead but can, magically, retains her true self...

    If we should point something that doesn't make sense, then making an unkillable and Eternal foe (Asterion) is more controversial than using dead people and faking death.

    That's my opinion.


    Don't confuse death and endings. Death exists primarily within the fictional world of a book, while endings extend beyond the book. From the reader's perspective, a character can't die, because you can always go back and reread their story. However, a character's story itself can end for the reader. It is the end of someone's story that is a loss for the reader, and death is just one of the possible endings. I hope you understand what I mean.

    Therefore, Sunny can die as many times as he wants; we always know that his story will end with this novel. Therefore, Badreth can die, because in doing so, he became the whole Mordreth and continued his story. Therefore, the Weaver can die and be resurrected, because his story still exists and is an important part of the plot. However, the story of the Sleepers has ended, and their resurrection shows us that the author can restore stories, which means that any loss of stories can be undone.

    I think this problem can be solved by drawing a line between the original Sleepers and their phantoms, making them, as it were, different characters.
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      Cassie’s true name is literally Song of the Fallen. She tells the stories of those who have passed on, and her supreme ability is a manifestation of that. I think this is a perfectly reasonable development. Let G3 cook

      Also aren’t you the guy I cooked in volume nine because you didn’t understand the powerscaling of the series and didn’t know how to spell Mordret?
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        Maybe it's me, maybe it's not. If it is me, why should I tell you about it? If you want to know, you'll have to find that chapter and check it out yourself.

        And what makes you think Cassie's name is a good argument? If g3 introduces a character named Impregnator and makes him impregnate all the male characters, would you also say that's logical and not a problem? Try to think a little about what a plot is, what lore is, what the f#ck names are, and how they're interconnected.
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          Cassie’s name is a good argument because this is what her character has been building towards. It’s evident from the fact that she resurrected the Sleepers that their stories aren’t over. They died, now they’re back, and their stories continue. This has been foreshadowed from the moment that Cassie received her true name. Hell, remember what she said to Sunny in the Tomb of Ariel: “My True Name, Song of the Fallen… it means that I am destined to witness the fates of others, and carry the memories of them long after they are gone. To be a witness, powerless to change what I see. Well… I refuse. I don't want a fate like that, at all.” And now that she’s broken fate and used that to become Supreme (remember, the essence of supremacy is exerting your will upon the world) she is no longer a helpless witness. She can not just carry the memories of those who have passed on, but also restore them. This is not out of left field, this is not illogical. This has been foreshadowed since she got her true name almost 2700 chapters ago.
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            So, just the name and the phrase "I don't like fate" are enough to sacrifice the possibility of permanent death, right? Indeed, this ability is a completely natural development for Cassie's character. I remember thinking at the end of the third nightmare, "Wow, this girl clearly lacks the ability to resurrect."
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              It might genuinely be a reading comprehension issue on your part. I’m very sorry for your loss.

              Her True Name implies that she is fated to witness, record, and tell the stories of those who pass on. She became supreme and broke fate, in the process also breaking her own fate and gaining the ability to restore the memories of those who are dead in a clear, tangible way. It’s very symbolic and makes perfect sense from a narrative standpoint. I’m sorry that you lack media literacy.
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                Indeed. How sad that I refuse to distort history for the sake of fleeting symbolism. It's a true blessing that you noticed such a subtle subtext and conveyed it to us. Thanks to readers like you, this novella retains its symbolism 10/10.
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                  The fact that you’re using words you don’t even understand tells me everything that I need to know about your reading abilities. Do me a favor and google the word novella
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                  It's funny that you got it wrong again. It's okay, it's normal if you're used to making up meanings.
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                  A novella is a book of narrative prose fiction that is longer than a novelette or short story but shorter than a novel. Nearly everyone knows this.
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                  Did I ever said that you were wrong about novella?
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                  I told you to Google what a novella was so you could fix yourself and not seem dumb when arguing, and you responding by saying I was making up meanings…
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                  yep, and you missed the point again
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                  You are genuinely so bad at this. Please read the novel and use critical thinking while doing so
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                  I said that resurrecting characters is a problem, and you responded that it's justified by a pinch of symbolism. I said that's not enough, and you accused me of ignorance for a mistake I hardly made. Is this the level of internet debate from the 2000s? Anyway, what else would I expect from someone trying to assert themselves in the comments section of pirated novels?
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    I feel like that was a kind of weird interaction to have after a year
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      it is not like they havent met each other in a year or smth
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        Yeah G3 getting sloppy
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    Guys write down this we got to become like Aiko let’s show our dreamy smiles and get making money reader stonks btw Sunny is now 29 huh in most novel mc is either around 20 or a thousand years old monster our guy is 29 years old god boast
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    Aiko you so greedy🤣

    AIKO: what's that, some sort of currency I don't know about?
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    It seems the direction taken by the author seems to be controversial on many points.

    Well, some say that playing with death so easily is ruining the story, but from the beginning, death was only a variable, not the end of a life.

    Many times the author has played with death, In Example, Sunny has died to become a shadow, literally, but he is still alive so what's the point of pointing that couldn’t work for Cassie?

    Moreover, Sunny's shadows are literally dead but they are still "alive" somewhat. The same goes for Slayer who is very dead but can, magically, retains her true self...

    If we should point something that doesn't make sense, then making an unkillable and Eternal foe (Asterion) is more controversial than using dead people and faking death.

    That's my opinion.
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      that shadow thing is the most idiotic part of this, he is a shadow but retains original form of human? and even functions? like when it's convenient author says it's a shadow so he doesn't need to breathe but then he sleeps with neph? with what? and so many other things
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        he can change his form so he can make it
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        It's his ability to transform. He can transform himself and his shadows into real beings.
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    I knew he would do something like this. In practice, now death is no longer the end and everything becomes more boring. One of the worst choices he could have made. It already sucked that Nephis could heal them from a distance and it was practically difficult for them to die, now it's even worse.
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      It's already said that they're just copies, not the real thing
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        So? If they are copies or originals, what difference does it make? They are identical, as Sunny himself says.
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      You're complaining because the characters got stronger? We're in a world with a background that states; there are beings who toy with death, life, time and creation of entire universes

      Yet, the in-verse character reaching the level of those beings in order to combat them(coming into their potential honestly), is where you drew the line?

      I dunno man, you want weak characters in a strong story, and if that's the case; you can only expect the weak characters to die to things they can't fight against
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        Ah, my favorite. Justifying a bad plot by saying that the author wrote the lore that allows for a bad plot.

        The author is the demiurge of their world, its unquestioned creator and ruler. They have the power to create and modify the lore and characters as they see fit, and if they need to make a less-than-logical decision or even edit their work to create a better plot, they should do so.

        Moreover, ss is not a lotm. Here, the lore exists only in general terms, making it easier to edit.
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          No no no mi friend, I'm saying the fact we were introduced to death and life, brought along the journey the characters traveled to reach this point, to then say; "this is an ass pull"

          Is just foolish. And that comparison to SS and LOTM, is sorta irrelevant. LOTM is a finished story where readers can look back and connect the dots. Saying G3 can now just edit and modify things as he see fits, is mocking the capability of us readers, to read.

          I'm not shitting on your btw, your criticism is valid, I just hope your head ain't too far up your ass to see what I'm getting at.

          All in all, this is a logical development.
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            I might be reading a different novel, but I don't remember the themes of life, death, and resurrection being seriously addressed in ss. The struggle against fate - yes. Loss - yes. Connections - yes. Legacy - yes. Life, death, and rebirth were merely supporting themes and ideas. Therefore, I don't see the logical development that you're referring to.

            You might be right if there was an appropriate arc leading up to the resurrection, and the characters genuinely strived for it. But now, Cassie has just resurrected a bunch of people for no particular reason. It seems somewhat out of place and unnecessary, which raises questions.

            This isnt just my personal opinion, I don't even consider them to be truly alive. Personally, I believe that g3 may handle this resurrection well and provide us with a good and interesting storyline. However, g3 may not.

            In reference to lotm, I only wanted to give an example of a novel with complex and important lore to show that ss is not as bound by its framework. Nothing more.

            And of course, I am not advocating for rewriting previous chapters for the sake of minor details. There is a balance between an interesting plot, logical lore, and reader trust. I am simply saying that an interesting plot should be the foundation upon which this balance is established.
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              Then it's well established ain't it? You and me followed along for 3000 chapters, so clearly we've been interested in the plot yeah. I also don't consider those people alive, as far as I'm concerned, all of them are dead and Cassia is just bringing up the past. Sunny talking about Shadow and Soul is just a temporal distortion in my mind

              An appropriate arc for a resurrection huh? Like Jesus's Three Days? I would exaggerate and say the whole Fateless thing was said arc, but I'd be ignoring Night Walker's existence. And how Slayer still kept herself intact-albeit fragmented- yet those two are the exception so;

              There's precedent, of avoiding death anyhow. And for what you said all the way above;

              We've been through it no? The development that is.

              I believe it'd be crazy to say everything here hasn't been a logical development.

              Really, A Guy Named Sunless Was Born Under an Eclipse. Not A Logical Development At All
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                Yes, that's very good. But we're talking about what will happen, not what has happened.

                You're both right and wrong. There are indeed ideas about avoiding death and being resurrected in the novel, but again, they are minor, supporting, and related to Sunny, not Cassie. The Fateless arc and even everything that happened before it is simply not enough to justify such a sudden resurrection. There should have been more significant hints or a separate arc, or at least more effort from the characters. It doesn't matter whether these efforts are invested in the resurrection process itself or in the leveling process. The possibility of resurrection is too much of a change in the perception of the world.

                Again, I don't consider resurrection to be a bad thing. It can be justified if it is involved in further events.

                That's my only complaint. There are too few reasons for taking such a risky plot turn.
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                  Nature of the world. I can't justify an overpowered ability, cause if it wasn't overpowered, no one would be able to beat Curse Tyrant; Amalgamtion or whatever

                  The system of power progression in this world is what you have issue with. I can't contemplate generality cause every power a person has is different from the others. Just so happens, that Song of the Fallen's ability imagine-revive people. It's unfair, It's broken, and fits her power set.

                  I don't know how else to say it to you man. They don't have to put a performance for the world to see, in order to advance a sequence. Btw,

                  This is an apocalyptic fantasy world, just reading Sunny's life to now gives anyone the idea. Bro didn't even know what a Bee was at one point. Food is paste. And instead of killing intent, bro called it murder math cause that's what fellow illiterate hood rats was calling it.

                  From Anvil's callous, To Ki Song's love of her children, hell

                  Dude, do you still remember the description of the Bell? The one bell Sunny still has on his inventory.

                  We weren't told it man, but we can tell loss is a heavy focus in the novel. Not only loss, but also restablishment. A hope for a better tomorrow. Everything just fits in my mind dude, where you confused?
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              I always thought that the name Song of the Fallen didn't fit well with her ability to predict the future and alter memories, and it only made sense now. Perhaps the author intended for Cassie to have the power to resurrect the dead when she was given this true name. If so, I find these "Chekhovian guns" quite intriguing.
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        I'm not complaining about the strong characters. I'm complaining about the fact that from the tenth book onward, she's been writing nonsensical things that contradict what she said in the previous books. It's one thing if she could summon them to fight like she did with the Mad Prince; it's another thing if she's bringing back dead people in the second book, making everything that happened in that story arc practically pointless.
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          It will be pointless if you go back and tell new readers their death is irrelevant. We had felt attached, we had gone through their loss, and we had sorta moved on. Their death wasn't irrelevant cause it happened. All death from here on out will be the same, for;

          They Are The Songs Of The Fallen
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            You justify this choice because of her real name. As if to say that now her real name makes sense while before it didn't. But that's not how real names work. Sunny speaks clearly after her first Nightmare: one's real name is obtained from an extraordinary action performed and which represents one's true self. Cessie obtained her real name as an Awakened One, and it was for singing the death of the Sleepers, of the Forgotten Coast, screaming their terror to Sunny and Nephis. I remind you that the power of memory was only obtained as a Transcendent. So what does her real name have to do with the powers she just gained? Obviously, this is just to justify this obscene thing the author did.
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              Dude, the Forgotten Shore sounds way cooler than the Forgotten Coast. Cmon.

              All characters are coming into their True Names, and the other thing you said, is deliberate confusion. I just labled the guys she revived with one letter added to her name. Still don't see how this is an illogical decision, and you're more upset at the ability than the consequences it will have on the story

              so, stop being mad ig
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