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Chapter 2864: Dying Flame
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    Protonic
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    For someone who can see into the future Cassie sure gets stabbed a lot
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      Venyon
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      To he fair, she is blind
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    mischievous schemer
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    We still have yet to see Asterion use that awakened ability of his where he devours the emotions of others. I could just imagine that when Asterion is beaten he would probably do something f#cked up to the cohort before he goes down that would change their personality forever. This is just an example, but he could devour Effie's love for Ling Ling, making her stone cold to her son forever. Or he may devour their anger, sadness, happiness etc which makes them unable to feel those anymore. This way shows that even though they beat Asterion, he left an everlasting scar on them and the effect of his influence would remain till the end of the story
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      Charlatans_Requiem
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      This would be so f#cking cool.
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      ZionCrestZero
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      Effie - remove emotions of hunger
      Nephis - remove desire and longing
      Rain - add hate to want to kill everything
      Mordred - remove need to survive

      Wait up.... this is too much. It's like adding or removing a flaw
      It's a divine ability, to add a new law. Or rewrite existing laws which is sacred spirit rank. He's not even a divine aspect holder.
      As a sovereign he can definitely bend the laws temporarily but not change it permanently right?
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        Drum5
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        Hunger is not an emotion, its a biological and physiological....stuff
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    Ohshitimsorry
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    Fun fact:
    Azarax is not as powerful as the Divine Titan, it is the Divine Titan that is as powerful as Azarax.
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      The-Novel-Reader
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      Which Divine Titan are we talking about?? and Azarax is a Supreme
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        Pathway of shadows
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        Azarax wants you to think he's supreme
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        Jiros
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        It may seem that Azarakx is strong enough to fight a divine titan, but this is a misconception. In reality, not every divine titan is strong enough to be even on par with Azarakx.
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        Redist_King
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        It's a joke bro💔
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      _Merlin Hermes_
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      He literally said war god avatar was cheap imitation of his (don't know which old one or new one)
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        The-Novel-Reader
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        I think he meant the old one. The Dragon
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      Redist_King
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      "The devil sold his soul to chuck Norris" AHH joke
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    _Merlin Hermes_
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    Quick questions on lore

    1. During final war how did gods and deamons came to heart of Shadow god even Shadow god himself?

    2. If they were just avatars of gods, how could they stand equal to deamons?

    3. By killing their avatar, can literal gods be killed?

    4. If we're to assume eurys killed an avatar which is a divine titan, there should be some remains of divine titan/war god avatar. just like tomb of Ariel is of unholy titan and god grave.

    And the last one
    5..Did Shadow god also had shadow bond with other one of gods?(likely sun god). If that were true then even if Become Nothing, he can be controlled by sun god (or other gods).

    does anyone have possible theories on these?
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      ZionCrestZero
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      I'll only answer number 5 because I'm sure of the answer. The gods flaws were the deamons. No, Shadow god is not a slave like sunny has shadow bond. In fact his aspect is totally different and you can disregard aspects and flaws when describing their power. They're more of a force of nature that makes up the laws

      Question 1-4 are about Avatars and I can't pretend to talk about something i'm not familiar with, it's my flaw

      I guess I could answer 3 as well, we know Euris killed wargod avatar, however war god was still swallowed by death when weaver activated the spell so killing the Avatar prolly doesn't kill the actual god.
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        Charlatans_Requiem
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        The fact that "the gods flaws were the Daemons" is still quoted just makes no sense. The only reason that was stated was because the sealing of the forgotten god and the subsequent creation of the Daemons were the only mistakes the gods made. They aren't flaws like how humans have flaws but when people quote it without explaining that you create misunderstandings
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          ZionCrestZero
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          I quoted it because it was stated. Yet here you're saying I'm providing information again that's misleading. Okay since you're contradictory to it, provide the chapters where it states the deamons are "NOT" the flaw of the gods

          All your saying all the time is "nuhuh! That's not true" like a whiny child, but you actually have nothing whatsoever to back up your claim.

          If it's not how you percieve it, but how everyone else sees it and how it's written in the chapters then have you ever considered that maybe the problem is with your perception and god forbid you're actually wrong???

          No you can't conceive such a thing

          Pride is the first deadly sin because it leads to unacceptance of the truth in front of your face

          But hey if you're prideful you can't accept that either

          So just disregard all the snide remarks and justify your pride by providing us with the chapter to prove your point
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            Charlatans_Requiem
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            Your responses are always so funny. You always say the same thing. "Where are your quotes to prove it" and some kind of insult I assume is to make me give up or something? Skim walker is your favorite but it's always you who's missing information. Fine I'll play your game. I will take the time to find the quotes you're always begging for and I expect good sportsmanship when I present them later today. I'll type out a whole new comment too just so you know I didn't edit anything. I have to help move some family members today though so I ask for your patience.
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            Tawi
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            Ye is that you? ahaa
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      momo(fateless)
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      I might have an answer for 2

      The gods themselves are above divine, however their avatars are divine themselves. Now I would assume the avatars are most likely Divine Titans at full power. The daemon are Divine Titans too so it would make sense that they have a similar power level
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        _Merlin Hermes_
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        Why do you guys bringing LOTM reference here
        Above the sequence, above the divine and how can a transcendent beast can kill divine titan with just a blade embedded with death.
        Do you guys think shadow god can easily make weapons that kills a divine titan and he simply gives it to kill one of their own?
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          Charlatans_Requiem
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          They're saying the gods were above the divine because that's literally what was stated in the story. They were created by the flame of desire and didn't have to climb the ladder of ascension. You knowing lotm makes it easier because think of the gods as being on the same level of the celestial worthy compared to any other Divine beings simply being a sequence zero.

          As for how the vessel was killed, I have two possible expectations. 1, it was explained that in order to create life, you have to use some of your own flame of desire. We know that because of all the life they created, they were far weaker than their prime selves. I thought of it like how you purge extra/incompatible sequence potions. 2, every power has its weakness. That doesn't mean you instantly lose or anything, but it's a massive debuff. Remember how helpless sunny was when fighting in true darkness? If saint wasn't there he would have definitely died.

          Putting both together war gods avatar was probably in some sort of comatose state and was struck by a blade that was infused with the power of death probably on the level of sacred+. It was probably a one hit kill.
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          ZionCrestZero
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          They still believe the cuttlefish. Don't do that, they might start hating you like they did me.
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            _Merlin Hermes_
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            I also love cuttlefish, I've read LoTM and CoI. I just don't like bringing other OP novel reference here for their theories.
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            Pathway of shadows
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            What the cuttlefish wrote was peak, book 1 was amazing... book 2 is a struggle to get into
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              ZionCrestZero
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              You ain't missing out on much believe me, it's about the selfless sacrifice for the good of all from a bully prankster and a female transmigrator; who used to have the body of a male. Both of them used to be male by the way, but lumian didn't want to fuck someone who used to be a man too. So he became a woman male hermaphrodite. They ended up having a 3 way lesbian orgy with a female witch. Sounds confusing? Don't worry about it I think it's cuttlefish method of correcting the several times he mixed up the males by calling them "she"; then calling the females "he". There all's fixed, no need to worry about that he said she said bullshit.

              Don't get me started with the "amazingness" of book 1
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                Ohshitimsorry
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                Hahaha, I don't often see criticism of lotm on these internets. Would you be so kind as to present your opinion in more detail?
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                  ZionCrestZero
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                  Character development sucks. Everyone is Jesus Christ self sacrificing themselves for others. He was a shut in ottaku transmigrator then suddenly he wants to become a god to save everyone he doesn't know? I thought he was a power hungry guy who just wanted to make it back home. It's not just Klein or Lumian who developed this type of savior attitude it's everyone. Even the villains. Well Amon only did it for Klein but still, where can you find a villain sacrificing himself for the protagonist his nemesis? What? The algorithm told cuttlefish this would be the most sellable plot and like a machine the writer follows the machine's command?

                  A good story has diverse characters and "characteristics" not one where everyone thinks thesame, wants the same things, thinks the same way like a well oiled machine. It's like a communist ideology where everyone got brainwashed to thinking the same thoughts.

                  Okay everyone think of the best way of sacrificing yourself for the good of all.
                  "Sir yes sir"

                  He was only able to getaway with that unbelievable character transplant when it was book 1 because no one noticed that difference in the character transplant but he kept on repeating the same pattern of character transplant duplication again and again then saying it was character development my ass

                  Just admit it you think you're a cuttlefish and everyone else is a cuttlefish too. All the characters think like cuttlefishes. Too lazy to think of any other types of fishes so everyone thinks like a cuttlefish.

                  LOTM is the only book I got conned into reading because of the algorithms. It's the reason I tried to learn how to unread novels

                  Well maybe it was 3rd, also Martial God Asura was the 1st Emperor's dominion 2nd
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          momo(fateless)
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          Not a LOTM reference

          It was literally stated previously
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            _Merlin Hermes_
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            Can you quote that or provide chapter name or number?
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              momo(fateless)
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              found it

              Sunny felt as though he was on the precipice of an important discovery. The gods… he had thought once that they were simply divine titans. Now, however, Sunny was inclined to believe that the gods were beyond Ranks and Classes altogether. Similarly, void creatures would not have been unholy titans — just like the gods, they had to have been creatures of an entirely different order.


              chapter 1387
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                _Merlin Hermes_
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                Yep, I totally forgot reading this major lore
                Thanks for the info, I think I've to modify my theory a bit.
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                  momo(fateless)
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                  Your good. This was during a pretty lore dense chapter so I get it
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        Pathway of shadows
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        Don't know where you got them being titans from, but okay let's all go with that...

        Maybe that's what differentiated the avatars and the daemons, the others were beasts while the others were titans... and the thing that made them almost equal in their battles was the divine favor from the Gods
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          _Merlin Hermes_
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          I somewhat believe in what you saying
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          momo(fateless)
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          I would assume the the avatars are Divine Titans probably cause they are the literal proxies of the Gods who are above divine

          And we know the Daemon are most likely Divine Titan cause Ariel fought a Unholy Titan and won
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            Pathway of shadows
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            So are you saying that their proxies were divine aspects holders?... since that's how more cores work, or are you saying their proxies weren't human?
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              momo(fateless)
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              maybe they were divine aspect holders, but they def weren't human

              I mean the War God's proxy was a dragon and Heart God's proxy was a literal tree
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      Charlatans_Requiem
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      1, never explicitly stated do everything someone says is just theory. My theory is that they didn't die in the typical way. We know that they were consumed by the spell and it's their soul cores that serve as it's main power source. My guess is that because they're being used like that instead of being actually "killed" it's circumventing deaths process.

      2, Daemons are not on the same level as the primordial gods who were born directly from the flame of desire. They were torn off of the forgotten god as he was being sealed away and were born as Sacred and climbed to divine. Honestly they were probably in between a primordial god and regular divine in terms of power. Another reason they weren't instantly whipped out was because the original gods grew weak. It was explained that in order to create life you must use a portion of your own flame of desire and after eins of doing that they grew weak(relatively).

      3, we don't know for sure but it was implied that the gods had many avatars over the ages so I assume not.

      4, honestly we don't know enough to make any claims. My best guess is either the corpse is in some other realm or it was desecrated at some point by other powerful beings. Another possibility is that it was absorbed back by war god and that by having an avatar climb the ladder of ascension and be reabsorbed they can replenish their flame of desire somehow.

      5, again we just don't have the information to make an exact statement but probably not. The gods were born perfect and so it wouldn't make much sense for shadow god to have such a restriction. Also, the nature of Sunny's aspect is Shadow Slave not simply shadow meaning there is a difference between the two. Then again I can understand an argument that all shadows are cast by something and therefore all inherently have a master begging the question who cast the shadow of shadow god.
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      Ohshitimsorry
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      This isn't lore, just my guess, but it will definitely become canon.
      1. I'm still not sure that all these "constellations" were located in the Shadow World. Perhaps it was the "space of fate" or the Void, or some kind of "hypercosm" in which all the worlds are located.
      2. In my understanding, gods are simply spirits with inflated power. No, they don't just have more abstract power points. Their "power," their Will, their abilities, their influence, and everything else is simply greater, stronger, more stable, more tyrannical, and more alabaster. It is this difference in "power" that distinguishes a god from a spirit. The Seven Gods became what they became because they overinflated their "power." This allowed them to dispense with humanity or whatever it was they had. They became more "power" than personality. This is what avatars were for: they became personalities for their God. Demons couldn't inflate their "power," so they retained their personalities. So we could say that avatars are the personalities of gods, and demon personalities are their avatars. In that case, they should be roughly equal. And let's not forget that the gods could use more than just avatars for this war.
      3. Unlikely.
      4. This is quite interesting. Surely more than one Dragon didn't die a natural death, right? Doesn't that mean we should have found many divine corpses? Are they eaten? Are they dismantled for parts and building materials? Do they fall apart, like the Titan that gave birth to Goliath? Maybe Shadow moonlights as a maid in the evenings? Or do Divine ranks leave far less of a mess behind than their Unholy brethren? Perhaps death comes in a different form for Divine ranks? For example, they form vast regions, as the Sun Slayer did.
      5. Both no and yes. On the one hand, the gods created everything, and they encompass everything. Before the gods, there were no slaves or masters, no subservience. The gods created all of this in their own image and likeness. Furthermore, gods are supposed to be quite self-sufficient and incomprehensible. It's not a given that the hypothetical Sun God even had blood, flesh, shadow, and so on. On the other hand, a shadow cannot exist without something casting it. The God of Shadows embodies the concept of shadow, and a shadow is always dependent on surrounding objects. In short, I think Shadow was dependent on the other gods, but he wasn't a slave. More like a support.

      So, about Nothing. I've had these thoughts. They're incredibly abstract and probably wrong, but I can't think of anything else.

      Shadow is the absence of light. To create a shadow, you need light, an object, and a surface. Light is the source of presence. An object casts a shadow or blocks light, so the object is the source of the absence of a source of presence. And the surface "stores" the shadow; the surface is the source of the presence of the absence of a source of presence.

      Let's throw something out. Without light, we only get True Darkness. Without an object, there would be no source of absence; that's of no interest to us. But without the surface, we get something interesting. Now we have no source of the shadow's presence, but the shadow—that is, the absence of light—remains. So we get an absence of presence, which can no longer express itself through presence. Which means it's simply the absence of presence. Quite similar to Nothing.

      Now let's translate this into the terms of the novel. Light is the Flame of Desire, the primordial source of this world. The object is the gods and everything they created. The surface is also the gods and everything they created. A shadow without light is True Darkness. A shadow without an object is simply a Flame in the Void. A shadow without a surface is Nothing.

      But how can a shadow exist without a surface? We need the Flame that resides in the soul of every living being, an object, a god, or a creation, and a missing surface. What could that be? Of course, it's the Void. What object resides in the Void? Of course, it's the Forgotten God. It sleeps beneath the rays of the Flame, that which burns in its soul or that which nourishes the world, and casts a shadow upon the Void, creating Nothing. The Void cannot absorb the Nothing because it lacks the light of the Flame, and the Flame cannot tolerate the Nothing because the Void gives the Nothing no presence. Thus, Flame and Void, which are likely similar in their foundations, simply cannot grasp hold of the Nothing.

      And finally, why does the Forgotten God have a shadow at all? Because every god has a shadow. And that shadow is the Shadow. Part of him ended up in the Void along with the Forgotten God and became Nothing.

      Perhaps parts of other gods suffered similarly. That's why the Forgotten God is their flaw. (I've always wondered if Demons are connected to Gods on a conceptual level? For example, Peace and Shadow share the Concept of Peace or something.)
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      Rei-absolute
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      As Weaver stated, and as further detailed by the accompanying skeleton of sunphis The gods became too all-encompassing, too vast, too scattered. They could no longer keep up with everything at once; as Weaver said, they had become weak. The solution was to use another body as a receptacle; their organizations, whether churches or something else, helped them.
      1. Eurys said that all the worlds had portals connected to each other; it was possible to cross one and enter another world. He even commented that it's easier now that the worlds are one (technically two) now.
      2. One point worth highlighting is that demons were born sacred, and likely became divine at some point.
      3. Killing a divine avatar does not kill the corresponding god; this only happens because the gods enter their avatars. When this occurs, killing the avatar causes the god present within it to die. The dream world no longer has the Mind (and probably the soul) of its God present, yet the world is not dying, for its God is alive, even if not connected.
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        _Merlin Hermes_
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        I still don't know, how you guys are so sure that deamons were born sacred, was it stated in any chapters? And gods did not live in avatars, they just created avatars of their own, to do there bidding.
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          Rei-absolute
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          Yes, as far as I remember, it was mentioned.
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            _Merlin Hermes_
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            I can't remember missing major lore like this
            Can you quote that or which chapter was it mentioned?
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              Rei-absolute
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              Not at the moment, I remember from rereading it and it stuck in my memory, a character—I don't remember which one—says "the daemons were already sacred when they were born" or something close to that, maybe not exactly in those words.
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    Sunny's crash out over Rain getting turned into a thrall will be generational
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      KimDokjassi
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      Dont worry cassie fixes that remember
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    Kirowo
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    Rain is lwk broken if she can do all that just as Ascended she's gonna be great
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    mischievous schemer
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    Cassie is slipping, she could have seen this coming with her awakened ability
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      KimDokjassi
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      What do you expect she is defending all of humanity alone
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        mischievous schemer
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        Of course, that's why I said she is slipping because she is almost getting overwhelmed by the burden. If she was in her peak state this attack wouldn't work in Cassie
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      Lrb
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      ela "perdeu" esse dom quando Sunny rompeu o destino
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        mischievous schemer
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        Nah it was her ability to see visions of the future that has been damaged which is her dormant ability. Her awakened ability allowed her to see a few moments ahead in the present
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          Lrb
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          mas então ela não teria que "ativar" ou ela está sempre vislumbrando o futuro alguns segundos? por que eu só lembro ela usando isso em batalha
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    Siegfried 7
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    Guess I got what I asked for. Oh well.
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    ZionCrestZero
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    It really does take it out the suspense when already know how things are going to turn out. Such a stupid move for Asterion to try to use Rain to kill Cassie when he could've used her to get the remaining eye.

    This means he's got no idea about the flaws the thralls he takes? All the secrets they keep are revealed except for the flaws?
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      turtlelord
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      Youre misunderstanding asterions powers, he doesn't "know everything" about his thralls, he only controls their minds, unlike how mordret DIRECTLY controls his thralls for example, asterion only gives instructions, though it is also absolute.

      Asterion makes his thralls do whatever he wants by putting the goal in their minds, but oddly enough doesn't directly control their actions in that way. Considering this, I guess he could actually control his thralls more directly as well by making the commands he gives his thralls more specific. Overallllll, we don't really get too specific on how asterion uses his powers but I'm just saying this based on what we've been told about asterions powers of manipulation which there are surprising many iterations of in this novel.

      To answer your question, it likely went like this, asterion gives rain command to kill Cassie, rain tries her best to fulfill the directive, fails due to flaw that asterion was unaware of. What asterion controlled was the goal, not the means.
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    BK201
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    Пропустил все главы с Кэсси. Они ещё долго будут?
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