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Chapter 2840: Effect and Cause
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    mischievous schemer
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    Can the bird use one of Sunny's aspect legacy relics against him?

    First relic was Serpent, second was Shadow lineage, third was shadow lantern, fourth was fragment of Shadow's domain. A Shadow, a lineage, a divine memory and a fragmented domain all relating to Shadow

    I am saying this because I have literally no idea what to expect from this relic. Whether it's a weapon, tool, echo or maybe just knowledge
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      Gumbak
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      I dont Think Spell can register that Sunny reached the next step of Shadow Dance as he is not connected to it anymore so he wont get next relic until he gets his Fate back.
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        mischievous schemer
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        Yeah actually makes sense what you are saying. I take back what I said on the other reply

        Actually maybe it can because the bird stole his fate which is intrinsically connected to the Spell. It could register whatever Sunny does indirectly maybe??? Yk via Bluetooth? But it's a weak point I am just chucking out there
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          Gumbak
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          No worries.

          Well... the bird has Sunnys fate so it is no longer connected to Sunny and since Spell is created from strings of Fate the Spell doesnt know anything about Sunny either. We still dont know what did the VTB do with the fate - did it somehow wrap it around itself, holds it all the time or maybe somehow substituted it from its own fate. So I guess we will see.
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            Pathway of shadows
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            So do you think the VTB get memories from it's own kills and sunny will get all of them after he get his fate back??
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              Gumbak
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              I have no idea. Actually I wonder if VTB wont be attacked by Supreme Sunny just after he takes Fate from Ascended Sunny. We will see I guess.
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                Pathway of shadows
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                That's even funnier, Imagine just as he steals the fate and escapes the spell... future sunny attacks
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                  Gumbak
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                  I mean maybe? We have seen 2 Sunny meeting, in one of the latest chapters we have learned that Supreme Sunny stopped Mad Prince in the Estuary. So maybe Sunny Supreme just went after the Sunny Ascended
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      Stinkless
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      I don’t think he will have access to any further advancements to the Lineage since Sunny is cut off from the spell. However, what about the memories that sunny collected up until sunny has his fate stolen. Specifically, what about that charm that can save you from death after you charge it with 1000 kills.
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      Pathway of shadows
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      Think one of the Relics will be another shadow
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    mr.stargazer
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    free ball. I've been thinking about the mad princes line " the shadow, future me, his existence means i succeed in the end." what could he have meant by that? is this a line made out of ignorance because he doesn't know sunny destroyed the sos? or was their a backup plan he made? maybe sunny will lose an incarnation to the mad princes corruption and have to cut off that shadow? we've seen him reattach a shadow to nightwalker so what's stopping him from the reverse? im excited for the mp's return regardless.
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      RubinVidi
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      It simply means Mad Prince endeavor to clear the nightmare will eventually success.
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        mr.stargazer
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        i see thank you
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      zloyleshiy
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      The Mad Prince met his future self in a tomb created by a spell.
      This means the spell created a copy of his future self in a duplicate tomb.
      This means that at some point in the future, his future self will enter the original tomb.
      This means he will be able to find a way to escape the duplicate tomb.
      The Mad Prince was only mistaken about one thing: that it would actually be his uncorrupted self that would emerge.
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        ShadowSojourner
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        Bro god got killed by a single word "Begone"
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    dave4real
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    I've been stacking since is this arc over?
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      Funloi
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      Nope, you are a long way before the end
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      Mitch
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      You probably got at least a couple hundred to go
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    Lrb
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    Quote: Stinkless
    Since VTB is a technical carrier of the Nightmare Spell, does that imply it can use Sunny’s collected memories? More specifically that charm that got from killing Solvane in the Second Nightmare, I think it had a requirement to charge it with 1000 kills and it would save you from death one time per charge. Do you think VTB could utilize that charm memory to fake out the memory Sunny made to mimic the basic narrative features of the Spell to a less accurate degree? I think it would make for a crazy plot twist albeit an unlikely one.


    se eu não me engano ele perdeu esse amuleto depois de ser "morto" por Golias na antártica
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      N3reus
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      What he lost was the armor (undying chain) not the undying wish
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        Lrb
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        Ah, então eu confundi, mas eu acho que o Pombo ladrão não vai conseguir usar os "itens" de Sunny por que talvez ele nem consiga usar mesmo, tipo uma armadura feita pra um humano como um Pombo vai usar? isso foi um exemplo
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          N3reus
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          Well Transcenent memories change their shape according to their users.
          Transcendent can transform right?
          Also whether that pigeon can use memories or not only G3 knows
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    Damian Wolf
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    The arc is reminding me of the begining half of the 3rd NM. Just Sunny and Nephis against the world cry

    I realy need a lot of moments were Sunny hints at him being with Neph for longer than she remembers, and Neph looking at him, knowing she can't ask him about it cause she fears that he won't answer ( like she told him she couldn't ).

    Ahh, I love them so much. I can't wait for her to remember him. crying_kitten
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    Stinkless
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    Since VTB is a technical carrier of the Nightmare Spell, does that imply it can use Sunny’s collected memories? More specifically that charm that got from killing Solvane in the Second Nightmare, I think it had a requirement to charge it with 1000 kills and it would save you from death one time per charge. Do you think VTB could utilize that charm memory to fake out the memory Sunny made to mimic the basic narrative features of the Spell to a less accurate degree? I think it would make for a crazy plot twist albeit an unlikely one.
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      mischievous schemer
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      Not only does it have that. It also has the crown of twilight from Daeron and one of Sunny's aspect legacy relics. It's been a while and I can't remember all of Sunny's memories that he had during the 3NM
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        Gumbak
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        VTB didnt steal any of his aspect legacy relics.
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          mischievous schemer
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          I mean if the bird can steal his fate and the spell from him I think it's a piece of cake for it to steal his aspect legacy relics and memories. Now that doesn't mean I think it can use it against Sunny potentially
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      Chronobauble
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      Sunny's spell replacement tracks the shadow fragments that pour into his soul, no fragments, no message.
      also his soul cores have all maxed out, so it wouldn't tell him either way.
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      Starlessdust
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      Marely commenting because our username are somewhat same…I'm starlesss nice to meet you stinkless.
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    RubinVidi
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    Finally, Asterion arc is officially over. This is my least favorite arc in the entire novel. The passivity in the early arc where Asterion still weak, is very frustrating to read.
    At least now they got their brain back.
    ToA have been my favorite arc so I hope the sequel won't be inferior.
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      Milkman
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      What did you want Sunny and Nephis to do exactly besides be passive? Directly attack Asterion? That would literally accomplish nothing, he is unkillable unless his thought plague has been dealt with. Did you want them to start a war against the hunger domain? Because that would still accomplish nothing and only COST human lives.
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        RubinVidi
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        1. keeping his ability secret is a dumb move. Even without knowing it, people still becoming his thrall. Announcing it while may cause chaos, but it will enabled humanity enter emergency state and giving them more leeway at isolating infected thralls.
        2. Direct confrontation. After announced, stronger awakened are more resistant to Asterion virus, especially Saints, they can capture and restrain numerous weaker thrall without harming them.

        And in direct confrontation Sunphis have clear superiority against Asterion, they don't need to kill him.
        Imprisoning him in Ariel's game is enough, because it will cut his connection with his thralls.

        3.. Erasing memories the incapacitated, this will only effective if Asterion have been imprisoned.
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        Ohshitimsorry
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        The plot's logical nature doesn't make it interesting. In fact, all 100 chapters from the beginning of this volume are described in a few paragraphs. "-Oh no, Asterion is so scary and cruel, what should we do? - Yes, I'm so scary and cruel and I have a cheat ability, give surrender stupid main characters. - Don't worry, Nephys, Asterion is so scary and cruel, and he also has a cheat ability, but we'll definitely come up with something. - But Sunny, he's so scary and cruel and he has a cheat ability, just look at how he captured a bunch of nonames, Rain's entourage, Cassie's mother, a bunch of masters and awakened, that damn glass city, a bunch of saints, Effie, Kai, Ravenheart, Bastion, the Night Garden, and so on, we urgently need to come up with something." Cassie's condition, the last few chapters, and the occasional lore teases are literally the only important things in the final chapters.
        And this is Asterion? The Dreamspaun, the terror of all Sovereigns, the prisoner of the moon, and the killer of the Broken Sword? Is this his storyline? Will he become the "stick" for the main characters, while the characters dear to my heart take on the role of the "carrot"? Is this how all this hype ends? Why have we spent all these hundred chapters showing humanity's suffering if they will be miraculously saved in the end? Why are we being told the story from Cassie's point of view if we switch back to Sunny?
        G3 is not a genius, not the greatest writer of his time, but he knows how to write plots, he knows how to control himself and not lapse into graphomaniac madness, and I simply cannot believe that he actually wrote all this heresy for no reason. To be honest, I still hope that this volume is dedicated to Cassie and the cohort, and that Sanfis will appear from time to time and reveal the most delicious fragments of theirs story.
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      MustyT
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      You got my vote. This entire arc has been draining. I've found myself skimming more so than I ever have the entire novel.
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        suEde-araid
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        Why skim? It isn't as if the chapters are super long by any means. Seems rather foolish.
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          RatParade
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          20 chapters or so of "look how scary he is, what are we gonna do?".
          >looks inside
          >the usual eat humans spiel, like any other abomination.
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          Mitch
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          I was wondering if I was the only one. Ready most of the dumb game with Kai. Skipped damn near all of the mirror world. Didn’t like it. And skimmed most of the end of the unkillable glob that was once people. It got boring.
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          MustyT
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          Why reply? Because you can. Made it simple for you.
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    mischievous schemer
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    Bro at this point in your relationship you don't need a invite
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    momo(fateless)
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    "I guess getting into that pyramid... will be a rough process. Well, no surprise. There were all those butterflies, after all"

    A swarm of Great Ones so vast that Sunny felt a hint of terror just thinking about it — despite being a Supreme.

    Nephis looked at him intently, then looked ahead.


    I know Neph is genuinely tweaking about how Sunny has so much info on 3rd Nightmare
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      mischievous schemer
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      I could just imagine Sunny make it all a part of his domain and he uses it against the VTB. Only for the bird to slaughter all of them effortlessly
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        The-Novel-Reader
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        I think Sunny and Nephis would draw out the Fight to outside of oblivion's tomb, towards the Guardian of the Tomb left by Ariel
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    Sunless carioca
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    absolute cinema
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