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Chapter 2835: Alternative Solution
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    _Merlin Hermes_
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    Hey guys I found something interesting
    Chapter 1227
    [Oh, yeah? How would you know?]

    The Prince of Nothing shrugged.

    "Simple, really… it's because I've already seen Asterion try it once, and fail. So, let me ask you a question — if a Sovereign failed to reach the Tomb of Ariel, what makes you think that your ragtag team of Ascended can succeed?"

    Sunny was startled. Mordret had just confessed a piece of truly shocking information… Asterion had already been to the Nightmare Desert? And it had happened while Mordret was still with him, so more than a decade ago, at least?

    A thousand questions instantly appeared in his head.

    [...I don't know enough to guess who can reach the pyramid and who can't. Does it matter, though? It's not like there is a better solution. But why did Asterion want to enter the Tomb of Ariel? No, wait… if even he had failed, then why did your father and Ki Song still send their people into the desert?]

    Mordret chuckled.

    "Because Asterion doesn't have to report to them what he does. I know, but they don't… and even I don't know what his motives were. As for the pyramid being the best solution — are you sure about that?"

    U guys think Asterion predicted that and tried to leave a copy of him by entering TOA?
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      La Pyae Aung
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      Now that would be a terrifying plot twist.
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      Charlatans_Requiem
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      You are one goated MF for remembering this. My memory is usually shit but I'm kinda proud of how much of this novel I remember despite that. Even I didn't remember this type of interaction. Honestly I forgot asterion was even mentioned in such depth this early.
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        _Merlin Hermes_
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        It's just that I didn't remember conversation between mad prince and torment and decided to reread ToA and there just one chapter before sunny's cohert entering ToA, I found this.
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      Bha
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      I think there's a hidden secret here... but I don't believe he left any copy in the grave... because, as he said, he simply failed, and there's no way to predict the matter, especially since fate was destroyed.
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        _Merlin Hermes_
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        Ofcourse not, he just tried but failed, he knew that TOA has some info about Oblivion, who was his nemesis.
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      mischievous schemer
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      It might be a stretch but I feel like he was trying to do something in managing his flaw like how Mordret did with his
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      eldarreiny
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      It's chapter 1227. And yes this is a really good thing to note about. The plot thickens.
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      qwerty1705
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      if he left a copy , sunny and the cohort would meet him in the nighmare. also, mordret literally said Aster failed to reach the tomb . but sunny knows the way to reach it because at the time he was fated
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      ninja9999
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      he would not know about that being a thing unless he entered a nightmare seed about the river of time
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        _Merlin Hermes_
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        Maybe he would've gained info abt ToA from other realm's just like how he got info abt 5th nightmare from other realms.
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    Jobin
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    Peak man peak
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    RubinVidi
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    This is cool and lit.
    But it just makes me wonder, how fateless is Sunny?
    We ve seen Weaver still manipulates Sunny's lives even after becoming fateless. Acceptable, he s Weaver after all.
    And now you re saying Cassie, Ascended version of Cassie at best. Manage to predict the future after tapestry of fate in shambles and somehow included Mad Prince and fateless Sunny into equation. Like how? How is that even possible?
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      SAILOR
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      We already knew sunny was eventually going back to the piramid, the supreme shadow is right there, reading the old chapters again, cassie is much smarter than she seems, her last speech could very well reference she knew everything already and erased her memories before finishing the third nightmare
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      mischievous schemer
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      Weaver can sort of directly manipulate Sunny via Bluetooth through Fated. When he became Fateless he lost that Bluetooth connection but that doesn't mean he still can't be manipulated.

      Think of this like chess. Sunny as fated is Weaver's Queen that he could move however he likes directly. However when he lost his fate he was no longer under his direct control. In this example, Sunny became the Queen on the other side. Weaver could move the pieces on his side to force the other Queen to take a step back or move forward etc.

      When Sunny became Fateless, Weaver manipulated everyone and everything else around Sunny that could or had an impact on him, thereby still manipulating him. Perfect example is the Puppeteer Moth and the VTB. Cassie is also following along the same path.

      It's a method of manipulation. To manipulate someone it would be sometimes easier to manipulate those around them.
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        bizzle
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        exactly. instead of manipulating sunny directly into doing his bidding, weaver instead manipulates him indirectly by manipulating everything else, leaving nothing but the desired path for sunny to walk, the same one he'd have led sunny onto without fateless existing
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        ZionCrestZero
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        When weaver lost the Bluetooth connection he immediately switched to WiFi.

        How come you know the steps for manipulation? Is this something you often do regularly that's why you're so familiar?
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        RubinVidi
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        I get what ur saying, and I can accept Weaver manipulates everything else.
        But with the same way, same presicion, Ascended Cassie can do the same? She lacked both information and strength to manipulate both fate and matters that fate affected. She can't even manage to change the vision she saw.
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          mischievous schemer
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          Obviously the difference between Cassie and Weaver is like Heaven and Earth. Cassie was manipulating events and people at her level with so much finesse and deceit because she wasn't that powerful. She wasn't able to truly manipulate the powerful and only could give suggestions and ideas. Weaver is one of the most powerful there was and every action he did was monumental and shrouded in mystery. Like directly trapping the Puppeteer Moth for Sunny or letting the VTB rip off his eye to one day give it to Sunny etc.

          It maybe that all the visions Cassie received was possibly due to Weaver and perhaps it wasn't truly Cassie's feat of breaking fate but Weaver's through Cassie. It's all a mystery bond
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      yeahdefinitely
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      Asterion was likely to be an issue in the version of the future where he wasn't fateless as well. But she knew she would break fate, maybe some of what it would have looked like with fate, and she knows herself. I think that's honestly enough. She just needs to know Asterion's general deal, and then mumble some cryptic stuff to people and then making herself forget she did it.
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      Siegfried 7
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      Cassie was more powerful Torment for a while, and she had access to knowledge about what will happen in the future, if Sunny still had his Fate. Fated attribute means that the fated will do certain things in life no matter what.

      All of it is basically the Golden Path from Dune. Leto II forced creation of humans with free will, and with impossibility to predict their actions. No future(or present) predictions would work on them. Normally only a very few people had free will and could affect outcome of pivotal moments, but not the ultimate destination(bad things). And he forced all of humanity to have this ability, making all predictions impossible.

      I assume that Weaver wanted to prevent the ultimate outcome of everything falling into corruption, so he helped to destroy Fate, so outcome would be uncertain instead. And even when Fate is destroyed, both he and Cassie knew what would happen if it was not destroyed, so they could use simple logic and best case assumptions to still set up for future events. Cassie is even in better position, since she has access to present information, and to false prophesy information, which makes it easier to compare.
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    Protonic
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    Sunny needs to create another Estuary Key or something similar. I did some research and attached what I found below:

    Estuary Key
    Supreme Memory of the Sixth Tier
    Description of its Weave:
    The weave of the Estuary Key had no light, and every string of its vast and intricate tapestry was black, as if created out of shadow essence.


    In case people forgot (like me) here's what it does pulled from Chapter 1488.

    Had Sunny been the first of the Six Plagues, and the one who had infected the other five?

    In any case…

    'So why do I not remember anything? If my version from the previous cycle was corrupted by the Defilement, why is my soul free of it?'

    He flinched. Wasn't the answer obvious?

    What could cure the infection of cursed knowledge?

    …Oblivion could. In order to be cured, he had to forget the cursed knowledge before returning to the past.
    ...
    Sunny took a deep breath as the truth of the Estuary Key finally revealed itself.
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      The-Novel-Reader
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      So the memory, Estuary Key would erase his memories every time the loop started ? I forgot it's function except for the fact that it prevents the Sword Specter from Corrupting him.
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        SrgtLock
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        The key doesn’t erase the memories, it locks them away in a sequestered space. Out of sight and out of mind.
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    The Three-Eyed Raven
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    Hype
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    That1Friend
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    Remember when we were following master sunless and thought
    "damn, the mad prince is so strong"

    Only for him to get dwarfed by the appearance of The supreme shadow.

    Now our sunny can mog The past sunny

    Edit- wait wait.. did the mad prince still have his shadows and with that the transformation ability?? If so I have no clue how the escaped that deranged man
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      DeathGun AS
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      The thing is, the mad prince was corrupted, akin to a saint... Besides, he lived for centuries or millennia, learning and growing stronger....
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        That1Friend
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        Yeah im not even sure who's better a crafting. Sunless or the mad prince.. like yeah he had vastly more time than Sunny. But he was actually insane. Less insane than the rest, but still bat shit crazy

        Plus, sunless's soul bond sword is better than the estuary key imo

        Wait.. why didnt the mad prince have the transformation ability.. if he did the gng actually woulda been cooked
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          yeahdefinitely
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          I mean it's a bit of a glaze to assume good guy sunny is better than a version of himself who had even longer.
          But sunny does have more of weavers lineage so that's probably a huge buff.
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          qwerty1705
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          current sunny is a supreme, so he is better than mad prince at weaving
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          Pathway of shadows
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          Being bat shit crazy is a good thing in this Novel... Cassie is crazy, and she's the goat... sunny is a little crazy compared to the Mad prince, and he's really strong... Modret is crazy and a psychopath, and he's a beasts... Nephis is also special, and she's a supreme( one of the strongest)... asteroid( Asterion) is not right in the head also, and he's a problem.

          See, being crazy is a requirement for strength
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      SrgtLock
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      The true Sunny won’t meet his seed counterpart just from entering the ToA, the seed version and the one in reality are two separate spaces. Sunny goes into the ToA with the knowledge of what’s transpired in the seed version and his memories beyond that.
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        That1Friend
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        If they were entirely seperate. Sunny wouldnt have met his Supreme self while in the seed
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          SrgtLock
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          Yes, they are separate. That’s how Sunny has two Slovains, what happens in the Seed does not effect reality because the Seeds themselves are just a snapshot in time. What makes the ToA Seed different is that it's past, present and future are all there at the same time. So when someone enters the ToA legitimately it’s also transferred to the Seed, but this never works in reverse. Darion went in legitimately (not through a Seed) so there would be a version of himself in the Seed of Corruption that could help his people when they all challenged it together.
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    Nani
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    So sunny just need to create estuary key but instead of sin of solace, he just needs to put asteron's name in it. So the name Asteron is Oblivious

    But how to make the estuary key is only known to mad prince, as only he knows it's intricate pattern of strings

    Oh! I forgot about the memory tier of estuary key
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    MentalBoom
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    Copy pasta from the wiki:

    Key of the Estuary is a Supreme Memory of the Sixth Tier that appeared in Sunny soul out of nowhere.

    Description
    A jagged piece of cold black stone, resembling the building blocks of the Tomb of Ariel. It had no features, runes, or images, and appeared like a rough, palm-sized chunk of stone randomly picked from the ground.

    Function
    The Memory functioned passively, even without being summoned.

    Runes
    Memory Rank: Supreme.
    Memory Tier: VI.
    Memory Description: [The answer is oblivion.]
    Memory Enchantments: [???].

    [???]
    Enchantment Description: [???].

    Weave
    The weave of the Estuary Key had no light, and every string of its vast and intricate tapestry was black, as if created out of shadow essence.

    In Chapter 1350, it was revealed that the name of Sin of Solace was intricately woven into the enchantment of the Estuary Key.

    Enchantment
    The Key of the Estuary contains a passive enchantment that was related to the Sin of Solace. An enchantment that consisted of two parts — one directed outward, one directed inward.

    Trivia
    The [Key of Estuary] suddenly appeared in Sunny's list of memories without his knowledge.
    The Estuary Key looked very similar to the black stone in the hidden chamber of Aletheia's Tower.
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      yeahdefinitely
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      Did we figure out the outward part back then?
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        bizzle
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        the outward part was the part that made the sin of solace stfu iirc
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      Pathway of shadows
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      I wonder if the description was question mark because it was coruppted forbidden knowledge or it is because it was future stuff that past sunny didn't have to know
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    Rei-absolute
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    That's incredible, it's like remembering Cassie's conversation with Sunny before the estuary, she told him to stay with them, looking at it now with more context, maybe (almost certainly) she was talking about after the Nightmare, when he left, it's almost as if past Cassie is telling present Sunny "it's time to come back to us"
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      Pathway of shadows
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      I always call the characters crazy, but G3 is a mad man for that
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    Obama2405
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    Finally
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