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    tefe
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    Who is Weaver's epigone? It's both of them.
    But it's more Sunny than Cassie.

    Cassie is what we expected Weaver to be, the manipulative mastermind behind it, and in fact Weaver is that. Cassie has the great feat of breaking Fate, something Weaver had already planned, but to be honest, she wasn't following in Weaver's footsteps; she simply wanted to save her friends and apologize to Sunny.

    Sunny is different; he is a reflection of Weaver. He was following Weaver's footsteps from the beginning, being drawn to the temple of the forgotten god in the first nightmare and becoming a shadow with an affinity for Fate. After that, it's all downhill. Sunny is simply drawn to everything that had to do with Weaver: his lineage, his mask, his priests, his clothes, his rebellion against Fate and the world. And even when he lost his affinity with Fate after being removed from Fate, he recovered it with the spirit weave and even his mannerisms. Weaver is a dark and arrogant demon; you can't tell when he's telling the truth or if it's just another lie, and when he's even slightly contradicted, he responds with threats, driven by madness and... Always curious, wanting to learn more, even if it is corrupted.

    Currently, the only thing that differentiates Sunny from Weaver is humanity, and even that will disappear when Sunny becomes sacred.
    Sunny is Weaver's epigone because he reflects Weaver.
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      Damian Wolf
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      I like this guy chad
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      Jobin
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      That is so true
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      ZionCrestZero
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      Sunny is Weaver's epigone because he reflects Weaver.

      I'd say he shadows weaver more than reflect. Reflecting is more Mordred's doing.
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      Ohshitimsorry
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      What if Cassie's abilities aren't tied to fate? Saint Cas can edit memories, Master Cas can see through someone else's eyes (or read a bit of someone else's short-term memory). But the Sleeping and Awakened abilities are literally prophecy. What if they're not? What if she also reads memories. Her own memories from the future.
      For example, let's take that very prophecy from the Forgotten Shore. Or rather, its beginning. She stands before the door to the Void, sees the Void, her mind crumbles, and in one of the fragments of the Void, she sees a memory of the assault on the Spire. That is, that being knows what happened in the Spire. Who could this being be? Sunny, Neph, or Cassie herself. What if the other "prophecies" are just memories she stole or received from her comrades in their nightmares. Also, remember that Cassie wasn't as severely affected by the destruction of fate as the other prophecies.
      So where do we have? Cassia lived her life, linked her memories to fate with Sunny's help, and died. Thanks to these memories, the present-day Cassie received "predictions" and thereby broke fate. You might ask, wasn't that too much information in one lifetime? And who said there was only one life? Breaking fate doesn't automatically mean victory, meaning the "second" Cassie could also have lost and sent her memories back. Time after time, she collected more and more information so that our Cassia could finally do everything right. Yes. While Nephys was surviving in the underworld and Sunny was farming aura in Antarctica, my Goatssie was abusing time travel. Yes, she regressed 1864 times. Yes, that's absolute bullshit. Yes, we both wasted our time.
      Praise the Forgotten God.
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        Bha
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        Beautiful theory... but Cassie's abilities are described using a Nightmare spell and cannot be circumvented... Also, Cassie's ability to know the flaws and abilities of other people... and this is related to fate, not memories.
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        tefe
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        PRAISE BE TO THE DREAMS GOD! HAIL WEAVER!
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    Pathway of shadows
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    I just realized something, Sunny being forgotten could be a side effect of what the thieving bird gained from being in the Tomb that oblivion affected ...and not solely because his fate was stolen, but because the one who stole his fate had a characteristic from oblivion
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      goldenboy777
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      As a Cursed Terror, the vile thieving bird must have a concept that it own, which is highly likely to be related to stealing.

      The dude can steal anything from anyone with no exception. And it stole sunny’s fate making sunny disconnected from everyone’s fate and hence forgotten.

      The oblivion angle that you talk of is good but I believe the VTB is a beast of its own and does not need extra power ups like that
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    Kanoh Agito
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    We always thought he was talking to Sunny. Turns out he was talking to Cassie 🤯🤯
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      MrMicrophone292
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      Not necessarily
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    HappyVVlnaJle
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    Can Cassie create a copy of herself? If so, she can take the body of another person, replacing their personality with a copy of herself. Mb Sunny is just a vessel
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      ZionCrestZero
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      Cassie don't manipulate anything or make any changes like Asterion when she's hitching a ride. She needs to look into her eyes from the other party to make any sort of modifications.

      I think it's because she editing their memories through her own memory of them looking at her eyes. Like a feedback loop
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        HappyVVlnaJle
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        If she can manipulate, what's stopping her from removing all the target's memories and replacing them with her own?
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    Sunless-The Man that cracked a supreme
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    So,I'm very sure all of you know about Sun Wukong,The Great Sage Heavens Equal, Victorious Fighting Buddha,Stone Monkey,etc.
    We all know that Sun Wukong can turn into Stone that almost makes him immune to all damage.
    Now,I'm not sure if some of you remember the passive [Shell] attribute on the [Mantle of the Underworld] (I didn't) that grants Sunny the passive ability that hardens his skin.
    MAYBE when Sunny and the [Mantle of the Underworld] reach the Divine rank or Sacred Rank, the [Shell] ability will enhance,granting him an extension of the ability that allows him to completely turn into Stone that makes him almost Immune to all damage.
    I'M TELLING YOU,THIS CAN HAPPEN!!!
    We already had a reference to Sun Wukong once(that I know of),which being the title of a chapter called "Journey to the West" during the Forgotten Shore Arc.
    I'M TELLING YOU ALL,ITS GONNA HAPPEN!!!
    I can already see it,The Shadow Sage or The Sage of Fate.
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      mischievous schemer
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      And here I thought you were going to make a joke about Sunny having a divine dk that can turn into stone which he can rail Nephis with
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        Jiros
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        This guy is losing his touch.
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          mischievous schemer
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          Someone must take on his role sigh
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      Redist_King
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      An actual theory🥹
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      qwerty1705
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      is that you, thorfinn?
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    Ohshitimsorry
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    1122, nothing said about mask ()

    "I have not known that you've built a tomb, nor have I ever seen it. How would I know to admire it? I just happened to be here by chance. Now that I've seen it, my heart is untouched. I feel nothing."

    "But you seem to feel too much, Demon of Dread. Your face is unsightly. You are smiling, but there are tears streaming from your eyes. Why?"

    "It seems to me that you already did. And you already are." (about the reason for building Ariel's tomb)

    "...You wanted to be free of the truth, so you didn't deserve it."

    2321, with mask

    'Brother, my brother. Why are you hiding inside this hideous corpse?'

    'My brother knows what everyone fears, and therefore, he knows everyone's truth. However, I know no fear. What then is my truth?'

    'I thought I'd offer you to play a game.'

    'A game of death, naturally. Whoever wins will give the other one a truth. And if I lose, I will allow myself to be destroyed.'

    'Do you know how fate can be broken, brother?'

    'That is what I wish to learn.'

    2381, with mask

    "It was your doing, wasn't it? Oh, what a wicked trap you set for us. We have escaped our siblings… but it seems that we've failed to escape you, in the end."


    "If you know what we are, then you know what destroying us means. There is a price that has to be paid for slaying a daemon.

    2410, with mask

    "Look at you. you're dying. How pitiful. How disappointing. Is this all you are capable of? Is this all you are? You are so easy, so weak. How dare you be so weak, my adversary?"

    "Do you even remember your own name, pathetic thing?"

    "Did you? Did you really think that someone like you could have killed me? That you are qualified to kill me? Me, the Demon of Fate?"

    "Well, perhaps you did, possibly you are, maybe you will. That is your fate, after all, and you are Fated. So, tell me."

    ".who gave you permission to die? You are not allowed to die yet, wretch. You and I are not done yet, so even if all existence ends, you must remember your fate. You must remember me."

    "You can forget everything else, everyone else - you can even forget your own name. But don't you dare forget the name of Weaver, the Demon of Fate. We must see each other again, you and I. So. come find me in the Shadow Realm. Come and see if someone like you can really kill Weaver. Then, after you've learned the true meaning of despair. then, I'll allow you to die, Orphne of the Nine."

    "That's better!"

    "Watch well then, epigone. Let me show you. how gods die."

    Shadow realm, mask is on but almost broken

    "Fools. all of them, such fools."

    "Now. One final trick."

    "You." ".You are just in time." (to Slayer)

    2721, with mask

    “Who are you to call on us, brother? Who are you to challenge fate? We have heard you call and refuse it. We shall not be a part of the war that you wage."

    “We are Weaver, the Demon of Fate. We are the eldest of us, seven orphans, and the most dreadful."

    "You spoke of choices, my brother, but why does it seem like you have already made yours? Do you think you can best us? No... you have already lost."

    "So tell me, Demon of Choice... who is it that has to choose wisely?"

    2729, with mask

    "...We have never met before."

    "You must really be mad. Are you really pleading for truth from the master of lies?"

    No mask

    "Have you heard? My brother, the Prince of the Underworld, has broken one of the divine tenets. He has encroached on the purview of the gods and created a race of living beings to settle his lightless lands. No one but the gods had been able to create life before, but now, the Demon of Destiny created life as well... we daemons are inclined to perform impossible feats, are we not?"

    “Because I am known to appreciate deceit, and this is a brilliant lie”

    "No one can create life, Beast of Twilight. Not even the gods. All they can do is reshape it — that is what Nether has done, as well, to create the Stone Saints."

    "It's the same old story, from before the dawn of time. The seven gods were born from the Flame of Desire, just like the seven daemons were born from the Forgotten God. You humans were born from stray sparks. How were all the creatures that the gods created born, then? Where did the sparks that gave them life come from?"

    "All life comes from the Flame of Desire, in the end. When the gods were creating the first living beings, they merely tore pieces of themselves and used them to breathe life into their creations... just like the Forgotten God did to breathe life into us. My brother, the Demon of Destiny, was the one to fathom that truth — so, he took sparks of his own flame and placed them into his own creations. That was how the Stone Saints came to be."

    “That is why Sun God cannot kill Hope. That is also why the gods have grown small and feeble over the ages, having spent their flame to populate all the realms."

    “What will happen if she dies, Beast of Twilight? The Shadow Realm cannot contain us, daemons. Death cannot swallow us — he had already tried, and failed. That is because we've never been truly alive, to begin with. We are mere manifestations of a greater flame, and even if we are entirely destroyed, the sparks that give us life will simply return to their source. To the Forgotten God."

    “And make Forgotten God complete. Was that what you wanted to ask me, Beast of Twilight? Is that why you carved your heart out under the full moon?"

    2730, no mask

    “Even I do not presume to know the mind of the gods. Mercy, cruelty, love, indifference... the gods are too vast and too great to contain only one emotion, bear only one desire, and harbor only one intent."

    “Ah, but I can tell you this, Beast of Twilight. You truly are far too arrogant for a mortal man. Did you really think that seven Transcendent men can contain a daemon? Did you really think that seven human lives are enough to bind the Demon of Desire? Fool... it was your endless desire to keep her bound that had built the walls of her prison and became her chains, not your unending lives."

    "But now you desire for me to help you bring those walls down? You offer me your worthless heart and beg me to help you defy the gods? Do you even know what you are asking of me, Beast of Twilight?"

    “In all of Kingdom of Hope? You only see what your burden allows you to see, Beast of Twilight. This land, these chains, and the quiet despair of those who naively surrendered their deaths. You only think about what the liberation of Hope will mean to you, and only fear the desires that consume mortal men. But my burden is far greater, and therefore, I see far more. I see it all”

    "I see a beginning. A beginning of the end..."

    “What can you give me if you're intending to die? Do not think me a fool, Beast of Twilight. Do not hope that death will let you escape a debt owed to the Demon of Fate." She pointed at him with a clawed finger. “Yes, I shall help you break the chains of Hope. Yes, I shall help you defy the will of the gods. But the price I demand is your life, not your death. Even if you long for the mercy of death, I will curse you to live. I will curse you to live, to hope... and to serve me. You and the one in the north both."

    “Beast of Twilight, do not call upon the moon. That is not your name anymore, and you do not belong to the gods anymore. You belong to me now... now, you shall only call the name of Weaver."

    Everything should be here, but I'm sure I missed one monologue from Ariel's play.
    They also answer every single question, just like Sunny
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      Lavos
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      You dropped this- crown
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      Pathway of shadows
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      It seems like weaver is compelled to tell the truth when he's wearing the mask, like that conversation with ophne of the 9...

      And It would be a funny flaw for the demon of fate to only tell lies... So he knows what will happen but cannot tell you because he has to lie( it's cruel but it makes sense).
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        Ohshitimsorry
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        This isn't certain. For example, the last thing Weaver said to Ariel was "I want to know how to break fate." However, he was already spreading his legacy, had already created the Spell, and was most likely already making plans to fight fate. The rest of the dialogue with the demons, and the conversation with Noctis in particular, seem very sus.
        As I said, there's a theory that Tkach is periodically replaced by Sunny thanks to the sixth Nightmare. Therefore, the theory of identical flaws works in some memories, but not in others.
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          MrMicrophone292
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          If he has to tell lies then isn't that on itself since he doesn't want to know he already knows
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            Ohshitimsorry
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            If he has. Because every time he meets Orfne, he looks quite honest even while wearing a mask.
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          ZionCrestZero
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          How do we know if "I want to break fate" is true or lie? What if what was meant is actually "I want to weave fate."?
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            Ohshitimsorry
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            Not to break fate, but to know how to break
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    Ohshitimsorry
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    So what do we know about Oblivion? She was one of the demons who collaborated with Ariel to seal the truths. To do this, I believe she spent some time in a coffin. Afterwards, one of the Nine stole these truths. Afterwards, Oblivion appeared at the demon gathering before the War. After this, the Weaver created a Spell from demons and gods.

    She doesn't have a citadel, only a tomb. She is the only demon who didn't create offspring or a legacy, didn't try to gather people around herself.
    When creating the Spell, the Weaver used 11 constellations, but there were 12 gods and demons. Does that mean one of them is missing? Was someone "killed" completely? Did someone fall into the Void? Was someone used for another purpose? Is someone still alive?
    In Ariel's tomb, time is bound, which means fate is also looped. I don't think this is a normal state for the web of fate. I think this is one of the things that allowed the Weaver to break fate. And if so, it's entirely possible that he influenced the tomb's construction. But how? Ariel clearly implies that the Weaver didn't know about the tomb. And who knew? The one for whom the tomb was intended. VTB lived near Oblivion's grave for a long time and was able to force the world to "forget" Sunny, but I don't think it's related. Weaver did something similar with Ofri, and since VTB likely obtained his bloodline by stealing his eye, she also has some power over fate. But maybe mayde

    What else? Oblivion clearly has power over memories. The spell also has some connection to memory. Memory, Echo, and Nightmares are based on ancient history. Also, by the way, the novel doesn't clearly says that the Weaver was the basis for the spell.
    Think. Subscribe.

    Oh, almost forgot. I've recently been thinking about how the mask works. More specifically, its ability to reverse a flaw. I'd love to hear your ideas.
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      Of Course
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      regarding the mask i do not have the faintest clue of how it works..... still, i always wondered what would happen if a god wore it ( beast, sun ,etc...) ?
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      kotx
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      Quote: Ohshitimsorry
      More specifically, its ability to reverse a flaw. I'd love to hear your ideas.

      The reversed flaws have already been described for Sunny, Nephis and Jet:
      Sunny: You can't lie → You can only lie.

      Nephis: You feeling pain when using power → You feeling pain when not using power.

      Jet: You are Dead → You are Alive → Your soul core is shattered and, when you are dead, essence flows into flesh. But when you are alive, essence can't flows and your body would be incinerated from the inside out.

      Here are my theories:
      Cassie: You unable to see → You unable to unsee → You see everything, everywhere, anytime. The massive flow of information fries brain. You are in madness.

      Effie: You are always hungry → You are always full → Without food your body wastes away and you cannot use your strength.

      Kai: You can recognize a lie → You can't recognize a lie → Everything you hear sounds true. You are extremely easy to deceive.

      Rain: You cannot kill → You can only kill.

      For simple flaws you can see the regularity:
      "cannot to do sth" transforms into "can only do sth".
      "can to do sth" -> "cannot to do sth".
      "can to do sth when sth" -> "can to do sth when not sth"

      Basically, "The Flaw Reversal" turns a flaw into an even more worse version.
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    codesta147
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    Oh having a reminder of Ariel's Game also reminds me of something I've been wanting to see, and that's the process of Sunny attaining a complete shadow since his shadows, Saint, Slayer, Fiend, Nightmare and Mimic are incomplete and need to be free or something along those veins.
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      bizzle
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      It will most likely require him to give a soul core to each of his shadows
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        codesta147
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        Oh, I like that theory.
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          bizzle
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          atp there's so much evidence that its as good as canon im ngl
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    Damian Wolf
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    No f#cking shot Weaver was talking to Cassie... wait

    Aggggg. A certain insufferable part of the fanbase are gonna milk the shit out of this meme_9 😮‍💨
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      Unknownorign
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      Maybe talking to both showing cassie the way of fate and sunny how to kill a god
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        Damian Wolf
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        Either it's just Sunny or both of them. If it's just Cassie, all of Sunny's build up for being the " bastard son of fate, " having his lineage, his type of sorcery, would be nothing but a waste. The fraud allegations are going to surge.
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          Ohshitimsorry
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          Is it strange for a shadow to pretend to be someone else?
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          Gumbak
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          Oh boy you should have seen the discord when the chapters came out.

          The slander was out of this world.
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            Damian Wolf
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            Yeah, I just go there for the art. I heard it gets real rough over there kek

            It's showing up on reddit, too , but people got jumped over there so it hasn't blown out of proportion ( yet )
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          ZionCrestZero
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          Not just the fraud allegations. Forget that, since forgotten shore, Cassie has been the real master moving both brute slave grunts Sunphis. She's the one responsible and orchestrated Sunphis actions always hidden behind the scenes. She's the one who knew Sunny's true name but didn't use it, instead had Nemphis take the fall for her.

          Everything was her driven by her, Sunny loosing fateless, shipping Sunphis relationship, all Sunphis decisions go through her approval. She's always kept herself close to both of them even when she forgot sunny. And now she's cooking another sovereign Mordred. She's been hiding herself all theis time, knowing what was bound to happen, secretly manipulating the outcome.

          Weaving her secret web of lies.

          Is her flaw even really blindness? How can we be sure she didn't lie about that pretending to be blind all this time. She's the only one that can read the runes. What if her flaw is actually the same as weaver, she always lies.

          G3 mentioned this might be the last volume and it's all about Cassie. Why is that?

          Here's something that'll blow you're minds. Why does cassie have sunnys memories? It doesn't add up right? She's got both her memories and sunnys? How did that happen?

          What if everything from beginning to now was Cassie the actual real MC but she's been narrating the whole story through the POV of her Shadow Slave Sunny.
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    Lrb
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    Nem terminei de ler o capítulo anterior, mas já quero falar que é interessante como vimos a visão da Cassie corrompida por que ali vemos o do por que as bestas corrompidas lutam e devoram tão ferozmente os humanos, eles querem "absorver" a chama que um dia eles já apreciaram, isso também mostra que a corrupção/Deus esquecido, talvez seja assim que ele fique mais forte, absorvendo a chama
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